POLL : Gay rights : what if you had two dads?

Couldn't agree more . Pretty much sums up everything that would just make the world an easier place, and can apply to any personal views people may have: "What makes it OK to hate on people who are?".

Stigma to fuel stigma; the genius of the modern troglodyte.

1. 38 pairs is a far too small sample size to make any conclusion whatsoever.

No. I did predict and pre-empt this stupid statement before you said it in the hope that you would be deterred but it seems that you have steamrolled ahead anyway. You need to learn statistics, my friend. You cannot look at a number and say outright that it is "too small"; you must examine it in terms of statistical significance.

Let's consider the case that the results are purely coincidental (i.e. the correlation is not indicative of a causal relationship between genetics and sexuality).

We have that 26 out of the 38 pairs of twins showed homosexuality concordance. If it's coincidence, we have that the chance of the twin of a homosexual ALSO being a homosexual is about 1/10. Since I can't be bothered with the combinatorics, I'm running a little script to simulate the trials. Each trial, 38 numbers between 1 and 10 are generated. If 26 or more of them are equal to 1, the trial passes and the script ends.

The chance of my script ending on any given trial is the same as 26 out of 38 pairs of identical twins showing concordant homosexuality.

So far I am up to around 6,000,000 trials with no result. I'll keep you posted, but it seems like "no conclusion whatsoever" is looking a little unlikely.

Edit: got to 15 million trials and gave up. I'm sure you have the sense to see how unlikely it is that the 38-twin study produced those results by chance, now.

Okay let's assume that it is genetic.

My view is unchanged, they CHOOSE to adopt a child, which I think is immoral.

Ah yes. At the failure of one's attempt to reason, we descend into arbitrary, unreasoned statements such as "x is right" and "y is wrong".

I think that's the end of this discussion.

Agreed. I don't like the idea of gays adopting because I find it fundamentally wrong, in the same way that I find the thought of someone hitting a child fundamentally wrong, you can bring up whatever factoids you like saying that the child gets on better in life as it is more disciplined, but that's kinda irrelevant to me.

Maybe my views will change over time, maybe they won't.

Bully at school: "my dad will batter your dad..."

Me: "LISTEN! MY DAD WILL SHAG YOUR DAD!!!!!! and your dad will enjoy it "

So I have the upper hand there!

No prizes for guessing who that came from.

It's horrific and totally disgusting and shouldn't be allowed. His development as a child will be severely hindered, you need a mother, and you need a father !...

Just like if you're brought up in a single parents family, or one of your parents has died. Families are evolving.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/67463-effects-gay-adoption/

Surely if we're saying a child needs a male and a female role model, we're saying children shouldn't be brought up with only one parent?
My friend has been brought up by her dad, so she doesn't really have a female role model. The only difference with gay dads is that there are two of them.

Being brought up by anyone is ok..

Just a mum
Just a dad
An aunt
uncle

Just not TWO guys, it's wrong.

I have nothing against being gay.
I just think you need Both a Mother and Father in a child's life (or at least some sort of equivalent figures).

I think that they both play important roles in upbringing of a child and I don't think it's fair to dismiss the father or mother. And if two guys have a kid, atleast have some sort of female support as well.

I don't think it's realistic to say "it's all about the personality of the parent regardless of their gender" because a child will need the perspective of both.

But then again I don't think a child will have a "hindered upbringing" if they had gay guardians, I just think they should have two influences which carry out the role of a mother and father .

Ultimately I believe a child needs a variety of role models, both masculine and feminine

I don't see how being brought up by two men would be difficult to being brought up by one?

You're not going to develop into a adult properly, it will heavily influence the kids childhood. They may even get bullied.

They may even get bullied.