The Burkha Controversy - Now Sikhism

Well in that case I think everyone should carry a small knife around, you know not anything personal just 'protection' purposes.

The kirpaan's symbolism is irrelevant. The point is the kirpaan is a prohibited weapon in the UK and only Sikhs are exempt from this law. The arguement stands that no one should be exempt from this law as it is puts the public at risk.



Are you saying Sikhs should have more rights than Muslims because there is less extremism done in the name of Sikhism than Islam?

You need to understand something: the Kirpan is part of the Sikh religion and is compulsory.

I don't use religious values as an arbiter of what should go into the law.

The kirpaan's symbolism is irrelevant. The point is the kirpaan is a prohibited weapon in the UK and only Sikhs are exempt from this law. The arguement stands that no one should be exempt from this law as it is puts the public at risk.



Are you saying Sikhs should have more rights than Muslims because there is less extremism done in the name of Sikhism than Islam?

Fifthly you say "baptised" Sikhs are far more "disciplined and tolerant". Again, you know this isn't true. What about the Ravinder Powar incident? It was all "baptised" Sikhs involved. Similarly the many times the police have been called to Sikh temples in the Midlands and London (Southall) to arrest people who had pulled out Sikh knives and Sikh swords in their various squabbles... What have you got to say about that? Is that what you called disciplined and tolerant?

I am fully aware of this and I will quote the post above yours as a response to this flawed point of yours.

So you effectivly want every Sikh person to not wear a kirpan? I don't want any of this blunt the kirpan stuff, the point of the kirpan is for self defence.

Sorry, but if this is ure argument - then ure basically saying - get out of the country Sikhs.

I think your a bit confused here sharp kirpaans are permitted.

In this incident it left a 12 centimetre wound for those questioning how much damage it can actually do.
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The 23-year-old was found guilty of using a Kirpan to inflict more than 100 injuries to his victim's face, head, torso and vital organs
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A guy was stabbed with a kirpan in attempted murder, Smethwick. Witnesses reported seeing ceremonial swords being drawn and men carrying sticks.
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A 16-year-old boy was wounded at a religious festival in Walsall by a Sikh wielding a ceremonial sword. Faisal's father Khalid Mehmood said:
"Why do you let people carry swords and spears in a family outing like this?'"
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Also keep in mind that knife attacks happen all the time in the UK and are not given much media publicity unless someone dies as a result.

no, i think YOU'RE confused ...you keep quoting these cases and using them to make generic points

what about the hundreds of thousands of other baptised sikhs that carry blunted kirpans and do nothing with them??

you need to take a second and THINK

why haven't they been made illegal?
because, firslty, they're a fundamental part of a major world religion, whose members have earned the right to practice their religion

but the MAIN reason is that they haven't been a problem in the UK for the decades that Sikhs have resided here

just take a second to think before going along and using those same old isolated cases that have been buried long ago.

no, i think YOU'RE confused ...you keep quoting these cases and using them to make generic points

what about the hundreds of thousands of other baptised sikhs that carry blunted kirpans and do nothing with them??

you need to take a second and THINK

why haven't they been made illegal?
because, firslty, they're a fundamental part of a major world religion, whose members have earned the right to practice their religion

but the MAIN reason is that they haven't been a problem in the UK for the decades that Sikhs have resided here

just take a second to think before going along and using those same old isolated cases that have been buried long ago.

A 16-year-old boy was wounded at a religious festival in Walsall by a Sikh wielding a ceremonial sword. Faisal's father Khalid Mehmood said:
"Why do you let people carry swords and spears in a family outing like this?'"
Source

I haven't made any statement on whether they should be banned or not. I have simply provided news stories for those who requested them or claimed there has never been an incident of misuse.

what about the hundreds of thousands of other baptised sikhs that carry blunted kirpans and do nothing with them??

The point is ure quoting crap events. Melas and ****. I mean wtf

One law for all is very intolerant and goes against what many like to take pride in this country being. The UK prides itself in accepting other cultures and religions and accommodating their beliefs.

This thread isn't about the blunted ones. It's about the ones that are potentially dangerous.