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Do you agree with military action in Libya (poll included.

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Reply 140

iainthegreat

Original post by morris743

Thank You.

No problem. :smile:

Reply 141

mellie220

I don't even know.
The action they have taken is going to provoke a negative reaction out of the Libyan government forces - what do the allies think they're going to do... shoot some airfields and government tanks and just leave with no consenquences from the other side?

The military action from the allies is going to be hard to cease unless Gadaffi is actually removed from office.

Sure, I agree that helping people fight for democracy is right... but it doesn't end up as a couple of weeks job when you intervene with the military.

Reply 142

mynameisred

Original post by hamijack

Never mind :smile:

I understood ur point......but couldnt get the part about the "..."

Reply 143

iainthegreat

http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE72J0BS20110320

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-03/20/c_13789016.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12776418

Do you have anything which would dismiss these 'claims'?

Reply 144

tehFrance

Original post by TheRevolution

Perpetuating the delusion that France and Britain are great powers...

They are great powers :biggrin:

Reply 145

hamijack

Original post by morris743

Remind me where the UN is based.

New York. It had to be based somewhere. Suppose it was based in Bejing, would then anything pro-China it did automatically be because China runs it?

Reply 146

woods.vanessa

Original post by hamijack

AFTER they'd gone in already, which in reality would have been counter-productive. This time the international community is intervening because of the UN rather than on the whims of the USA.

What examples can you provide about these "dodgy things"?

Doesn't change the fact that the US and UK have ignored the UN before, nothing to stop them doing it again.
Examples well when Eritrea wanted independence from Ethiopia and this was supported by a near unanimous vote. The UN decided to go against that and give Eritrea to Ethiopia.

Thirty years of war later, Eritrea are now independent, no thanks to the international community.

Reply 147

MrGuillotine

Original post by hamijack

They are people asking to be able to choose their own leader through democracy after being ruled by a slightly crazy man for the last 42 years. I think that's worthy of my support.

I seem to remember we were eager to support a down trodden people fighting against a tyrannical army back in the 80s. That turned out well didnt it? :rolleyes:

It's short-sighted ill-informed opinions like this that we need less of.

Reply 148

hamijack

Original post by MrGuillotine

I seem to remember we were eager to support a down trodden people fighting against a tyrannical army back in the 80s. That turned out well didnt it? :rolleyes:

It's short-sighted ill-informed opinions like this that we need less of.

Well we can't predict the future so we might as well go with what seems the best policy at the time.

Reply 149

MrGuillotine

I agree that the Libyan state broadcaster is expected to say as such, but it would be naive to think this will pass without civilians casualities. Gaddafi is an unpredictable lunatic who will try everything to put civilians in harms way to try to peddle his own propaganda. He's already started this process by moving his ground troops into the towns and cities which will be much harder to hit without causing civilians fatalities. What this leaves us with is a stalement, which will require arming the rebels at best and sending in our own ground troops at worst.

Reply 150

MrGuillotine

Original post by hamijack

Well we can't predict the future so we might as well go with what seems the best policy at the time.

You can't predict the future but you'd do well to find out who the hell you're supporting now. You haven't got a clue who the rebels are, and neither have I. Let's hope the guys making the decisions do, otherwise we could be just ****ing ourselves over.

Reply 151

und

I dislike the level of propaganda in the media concerning life in Libya. They seem to ignore the fact that before all of this started, people in Libya had respectable incomes, and were twice as rich as their neighbours, Egypt.

Having said that, I don't agree with Gaddafi's fascist regime, and would rather see democracy along with a socialist government that removes the tribal influences and implements more social security. The "international community" (American and European interests) would much rather see a vulnerable state that is easily exploited and manipulated for its oil, which is why they don't want the people to get their way, and see military intervention as an appropriate course of action.

Reply 152

username227498

Original post by The-Real-One

The Libyan people have not asked us for our help.

The rebels asked us for our help. They are not civilians, they are armed enemy combatants in another soverign nation's civil war.

We are taking sides in armed conflict, a civil war. And eventually regime change is going to be on the table despite the original resolution.

You Sir, should be neg repped viciously for your stupidity and lack of understanding in the matter because you're so brainwashed by the Western Media.

The rebels are the Libyan people! They are the ones who have asked for a NFZ so that the pro-Gaddafi airforces - the mercenaries that have killed many innocent people - are kept out of the skies and prevented from bombing any more civilians!

And they are civilians.

Either you don't know much yourself, or you have sided with Gaddafi. :rolleyes:

Reply 153

tehFrance

Original post by ijaz

Obviously it's biased, it's like the BBC and CNN, controlled by the government.

CNN isn't government owned nor controlled and the BBC isn't really government owned either but we pay for it whether we want to or not :frown:

as for control, the BBC have a left wing bias so I doubt it.

Reply 154

mynameisred

Bet its sunshine always for the arm's dealers

Reply 155

dennisraymondsmith

of course...look how much oil we are going to get...look at all those assets we have seized

Reply 156

MrGuillotine

The bloodshed will continue until Gaddafi is removed from power. At the moment, that is neither the mandate for the intervention, nor the desire. Are you prepared for a possible long-drawn out war? You better be, because the only thing worse than not attacking in the first place is leaving a job half-done.

Reply 157

ijaz

Original post by mathew551

YOU bring me one reliable source apart from the bbc, sky news, cnn of "rebels" asking for a no fly zone.

They get so callled representatives on bbc who say are spealking on behalf of the people and everyones like oh yeah they want this.

and also how do you expect the government to react, if there were rebels over here youll have the army in straight away.

And the governemnt breaking poledge of ceasfire was also alledged wasnt proven.

They already planned this

Reply 158

mynameisred

Original post by tehFrance

CNN isn't government owned nor controlled and the BBC isn't really government owned either but we pay for it whether we want to or not :frown:

as for control, the BBC have a left wing bias so I doubt it.

some have left wing bias, some right, the rest centre biased, the point is "its biased", and if it is how to come to an approximate conclusion of ground realities?