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Violent anti-cuts protesters are hypocrites

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Reply 40
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Original post by Bella Occhi
Poll tax.


Which was renamed and introduced anyway
Reply 41
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Original post by WelshBluebird
This is not about party politics. The only reason the anger is directed at the conservatives (and the lib dems) is because they are making the cuts. The would happen if labour were doing it.
This is about people who are worried about their jobs and their futures.


It wouldn't be about party politics, until Ed Miliband and Ed Balls show up to give riveting speeches to the crowd, copying Michael Foot back in the 80's.
Original post by speedbird
That's just armchair economics.

A regressive tax on bank transactions would be borne mainly by consumers. Firms exploiting tax loopholes is ultimately better than no firms and no tax revenue at all. Inefficiency has drastically increased? Do you have any evidence to support this? In fact it is taxes that increase inefficiency. The deficit is huge and at the moment the only way to promote economic growth is by further increasing the deficit. It's not "jam today or more jam tomorrow", it's "jam on Monday and nothing else" or "no jam on Monday and some jam the rest of the week".


Armchair economics maybe but it's worth a shot, rather than just crushing the little man. Scandanavian countries have a tiny tax on bank transactions as well as high taxes and it has the best quality of life in the world. A tax of 0.005% would not effect the consumer drastically, banks would not move out of such a huge market despite their threats. Bankers are always threatening to move, and they never do.
Reply 43
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Original post by garethDT
Oh yes I'm sure that was an isolated incident and they would never dream of infiltrating anarchist groups:rolleyes:

... and you wonder why people call you naive


Because the Police are going to cause violence in a protest so that they can then put down the violence have injured offices injured protesters and generally **** over relations between the public and the police which will then make their jobs 10Xs harder.....
Reply 44
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Original post by Aj12
Because the Police are going to cause violence in a protest so that they can then put down the violence have injured offices injured protesters and generally **** over relations between the public and the police which will then make their jobs 10Xs harder.....


It's exactly what happened at the students protest. But that got the majority of the public on the side of the police thanks to the biased media coverage.
Reply 45
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Original post by garethDT
It's exactly what happened at the students protest. But that got the majority of the public on the side of the police thanks to the biased media coverage.


Sure it was. Even though it makes absolutely no sense for the police to stir up trouble.
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Original post by Aj12
Sure it was. Even though it makes absolutely no sense for the police to stir up trouble.


No, people join the riot police hoping they are never forced into the situation where they might get the order to 'clamp down' on 'yobs' kitted out with their riot gear and batons and with the law on their side.:rolleyes:
Reply 47
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Original post by garethDT
No, people join the riot police hoping they are never forced into the situation where they might get the order to 'clamp down' on 'yobs' kitted out with their riot gear and batons and with the law on their side.:rolleyes:


:facepalm2:
Reply 48
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Original post by The_Male_Melons


Every penny counts in order to reduce the deficit. Furthermore, it would be wasting police time on more serious crimes being committed so they can concentrate a few hypocritical hippies.


You just don't get it, do you?

You are basically suggesting that the right to protest shouldn't exist.
Original post by Teveth
You just don't get it, do you?

You are basically suggesting that the right to protest shouldn't exist.


No I am not. People can protest. I find it hard to see this as a protest.

What I am seeing is a riot. A right to have a riot- It shouldn't exist.

HSBC Bank- that is not protesting. What is the point of vandalising HSBC?

Topman/Dorothy Perkin- what is the point of vandalising? Sir Phillip Green pays his tax. Furthermore, he provides millions of jobs and all those employees will be paying tax. Where he can find a way to not pay a certain tax- then why not? Tax Avoidance is not legally wrong. And good on him. So what if he is rich? Why should he be taxed if he doesn't live in this country or even enjoy the services provided by the state? What is the different between Sir Phillip Green and most people buying extra stuff from the sales to avoid VAT? Avoiding VAT rise was avoiding tax.
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Original post by doomhalo
What flavour jam?


Strawberry
Reply 51
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Original post by WelshBluebird
This is not about party politics. The only reason the anger is directed at the conservatives (and the lib dems) is because they are making the cuts. The would happen if labour were doing it.
This is about people who are worried about their jobs and their futures.


I find that debatable. I think Labour's trade union links would keep them quiet. Or at least less vocal.
Watching BBC news live, the anarchists and violent ones are at piccadilly still... properly smashed up a Santander branch, glass doors are smashed out but LOL there seem to be as many journalists / photographers right there with them taking pictures

Police are kettling them but just standing doing nothing

*Police have now pushed their line forward to get protestors away from public businesses, banks and are moving forward now
I think those that smashed the windows at the Ritz hotel should be not only fined but made to pay the costs.
I think there is no excuse for those actions, none whatsoever.

Disgusting behaviour
Of course there were breakaway groups that just wanted violence. Of course Miliband and Balls used it for their political career.

But please consider that the majority of the protesters (I'm talking half a million - the news played down the numbers) were NOT violent - most of the protesters were families, Trade Union Groups, associations like the National Union of Teachers and pensioners. The atmosphere was like a slightly angry folk festival, if I'm honest.

So please read up on some facts* and don't buy into the propaganda, before pointing the finger and saying "Violent anti-cuts protesters are hypocrites"


*before all the libraries close
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Original post by milkytea
They seem to propose an alternative of super-high taxes on bankers and other rich people. If the government did so, businesses and bankers would simply move out of the UK, hurting the economy even more. The protest is senseless, I'm afraid, but I highly doubt they'll listen to reason.


The actual reality of bankers and business taking themselves abroad is very unlikely, and very rarely actually happens or has happened in the past. It's a completely empty threat, don't compare them to footballers.
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Original post by Marinated_in_Joy
The actual reality of bankers and business taking themselves abroad is very unlikely, and very rarely actually happens or has happened in the past. It's a completely empty threat, don't compare them to footballers.


On the contrary, in our globalized world businesses and bankers are entirely ready to take advantage of varying tax rates. That's why Ireland enjoyed substantial economic growth in the middle of the last decade; their corporation tax was significantly lower than other European countries and therefore it attracted business. That is why the socialist high-tax response to recession is outdated. Of course, I'm not saying that higher taxes will cause all businesses to pack up and leave, but it does certainly stifle growth.
Original post by milkytea
On the contrary, in our globalized world businesses and bankers are entirely ready to take advantage of varying tax rates. That's why Ireland enjoyed substantial economic growth in the middle of the last decade; their corporation tax was significantly lower than other European countries and therefore it attracted business. That is why the socialist high-tax response to recession is outdated. Of course, I'm not saying that higher taxes will cause all businesses to pack up and leave, but it does certainly stifle growth.


But the bankers are the ones who will benefit anyway from economic growth in the long-term, and they know this.
Reply 58
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Original post by Marinated_in_Joy
But the bankers are the ones who will benefit anyway from economic growth in the long-term, and they know this.


Yes, and that goes some way to explain why they do not want to work in a country with an outdated tax policy that stifles economic growth...
Original post by milkytea
Yes, and that goes some way to explain why they do not want to work in a country with an outdated tax policy that stifles economic growth...


But the bankers basically have to choose the lesser of two evils, and they threaten to leave the country because that's the easier way for them to convince the government that they won't have to pay the price for damage. But if it came down to it, there's little evidence that they would pack up and go, because they'd get the money all back with long term economic growth

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