I will die by suicide at some point in my life.

I'm in a similar position myself. I don't think the constant drudgery is something I hope to keep going long-term, so when I work up the courage to commit suicide I'm out of here. Not now obviously, but at some point. I know that it will upset my parents, but to be honest, they chose to have children knowing all the risks. I didn't consent to being brought to life, so I'm not morally obliged to remain here.

It's not that my life is particularly bad (I think I have a rather nice little life actually ) I just think there's no point continuing with some tedious existence when I'm going to die anyway. Life for me is just a stream of boredom punctuated by the occassional burst of positive emotion. That's the same for everyone, but I've decided, it's not really worth it on the whole. I think I'll get a few things I want to in life done, and then quit while I'm ahead.

EDIT: I'll remember to donate all my current money to a chosen charity and get an organ donor card before I do though. I promise!

Well, it's not logical in the rigorous definition of the term, in which every statement follows a perfectly logical derivation and comes originally from things I know to be true Rather, it just seems logical to me. Which, yes, isn't the most intellectually accurate description, but I mean more that it feels perfectly normal to say to myself 'one day, you're going to die by suicide'.

So what you're trying to say is that it's not logical after all? Perhaps it feels perfectly normal because you've been saying and believing it for so long.

Setting aside religion, once you're dead, you're dead. Not for a finite amount of time, but forever. And with it goes your consciousness. So for me it boils down to, if we all go to the same place sooner or later, going by choice is just taking away from the point of it all. To exist.

There is insufficient evidence to support DBS as a therapeutic modality for depression, however, the procedure may be an effective treatment modality in the future. Researchers reported in 2005 that electrical stimulation of a small area of the frontal cortex brought about a "striking and sustained remission" in four out of six patients suffering from major depression. Their symptoms had previously been resistant to medication, psychotherapy and electroconvulsive therapy.

Using brain imaging, the researchers had noticed that activity in the subgenual cingulate—the lowest part of a band of tissue that runs along the midline of the brain—seemed to correlate with symptoms of sadness and depression. They implanted electrodes into six patients while they were locally anesthetised, but alert. While the current was switched on, four of the patients reported feeling a black cloud lifting, and became more alert and interested in their environments. The changes reversed when the current was switched off.

The effects of continuous subgenual cingulate stimulation have produced sustained remission from depression in the four patients for six months. When reporting the results, the team did caution that the trial was so small that the findings must be considered only provisional.

A systematic review of DBS for treatment resistant depression and obsessive–compulsive disorder identified 23 cases—nine for OCD, seven for treatment-resistant depression, and one for both. It found that "about half the patients did show dramatic improvement" and that adverse events were "generally trivial" given the younger psychiatric patient population than with movements disorders.

This is so sad...

how can you think like this when you are studying chemical engineering. I'm not being an ass and i'll try to say this the nicest way possible but it seems like you dont care about anything... how come u studied hard then?

I'm sure many people want to kill themselves and don't fear death, and hate life far more than you, but don't, because they can at least see what they'd do to others, and respect their parents.

Oh wow, what an original post, it's almost as if you haven't just repeated what hundreds of other posters have already said.

Suicide is pretty selfish, but the other side of the coin is that it's also pretty selfish to ask people to remain alive when they don't want to. Nobody chose to be born, therefore compelling people to remain here when they don't want to is tantamount to some kind of existential prison.

Well, I wasn't going to go through 10+ pages of posts just so I didn't waste your time, frankly.

It's far more selfish to permanently damage the lives of those who are aware that you can't just kill yourself when life gets ****ty, because you think it's tedious and trivial -_-.

I'm not going to reproduce because I don't think life is worth *giving*, but it's just ****ing selfish to kill yourself because of simple logic. It's people like you who can justify death with such basic reasoning it annoys me. You haven't even bothered to factor in many other variables which may lead to negative consequences utilitarian-wise. That in it's self is just selfish.

EMZ.

It's selfish of people to reproduce out of biological impulse/desire for fulfillment, and then compell the offspring they produce to remain alive against their will. When you choose to have children, you take the risk that they will die/disappoint you in some way. If you want to avoid that, don't have children. Children may choose to please their parents out of gratitude; but there is no ethical responsibility for them to live up to the desires of their makers. When you voluntarily procreate, you have to accept the consequences.

People shouldn't be coerced into remaining alive. You can call suicidal people "selfish" all you want, but frankly it's a rather childish statement to throw around.

Because it is selfish to inflict pain onto many people, just so you can avoid pain. It's not just parents, it's everyone you're affiliated with. They never asked to know you. But they do.

EMZ.

OK, firstly I just want to say this is not a thread that has been made because I've had a bad day, and is it not a simple rant.

I'm not clinically depressed at the moment, and so am not in receipt of any counselling or medication therapy.

However, as many people on TSR will be aware, I have experienced real, and severe, depression 1 year back (which I had for about 18 months - 2 years in total, but feelings of 'being down'/upset for probably 3 years to be realistic).

I just feel that at some point, maybe in the next six months, maybe in the next 10 years (though I must admit I don't think it will be that long at all) that I will die by suicide.

I'm not writing this thread because I expect someone to reply with a well rehersed answer, just because I feel as though I would like to express it.

Thanks.

I doubt that anyone except for my parents and boyfriend would care. But, you know what? Okay, I accept it's selfish. So what? That shouldn't impede on someone's right to their own life.

No need to sign off everything with "EMZ".

Without wanting to make every TSR thread about my mental health issues, I have been self-harming and suicidal for the past 5-6 years and made numerous suicide attempts before. I've also had a minor alcohol problem. I went to my GP saying this when I was 13 and everything was just starting, and got told I was fine, despite having attempted suicide; I then went to my GP a couple of weeks ago, told them about the 5-6 years of history, and again, yeah, apparently it's just my period. I realise I come over as a disillusioned cynic, but having such faith in the mental health system is perhaps a trifle naive - people with real problems do get told to go away. I also have a friend who's been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and has told her GP multiple times that she thinks she's going to severely damage someone else or herself, and begged to be admitted to a secure unit because she honestly believes she's going to do something awful. Her GP refuses to admit her to hospital.

It scares me to think that this may be repeated up and down the country

This isn't a counter-argument or anything, but more a point of note. I completely understand the point about the end result of being depression for X amount of years, but I don't wholly agree with it. I understand that it is ultimately a horrible result (crappy job, old age, no friends, no family and a general crap life)

But it's something? Maybe it is just me, but I find the thought of death utterly terrifying. To have lived, breathed, felt joy (at some point if any), felt depressed - it's all an integral point of my existence. It is me. Of course, you don't have those crucial aspects which make it worth being you, but you still exist. Some say what is the point in existing at all? But at least you exist in the first place.

Setting aside religion, once you're dead, you're dead. Not for a finite amount of time, but forever. And with it goes your consciousness. So for me it boils down to, if we all go to the same place sooner or later, going by choice is just taking away from the point of it all. To exist.

I realise that is a totally incoherent post. Don't mind me.

The only chances a person has of dying of suicide is if they commit it. Obviously.

So, don't commit it and the chances are like 100% to none.