Birmingham or Manchester??

Manchester is by far the nicer city.

What's the Asian to White ratio of Birmingham Med students btw?

But I heard bham doent do dissection and had a weak anatony teaching, what you think abt it?

and also heard that bham has too many medical students.

I will also say Birmingham but you can see why... hahahah
Birmingham has the second biggest student population, the campus is amazing, the medical school is amazing, the city is amazing :P the only thing that I see as a sort of disadvantage is not doing dissection.

You have visited both universities, so which one did it feel more like 'the place to be' for you?

Manchester is by far the nicer city.

What's the Asian to White ratio of Birmingham Med students btw?

Manc has too many asians

No idea about Birmingham specifically, but in case you want an idea of ratios generally according to the UKCAT annual report for 2009/10 there were 13437 White British/Other applicants compared to 6644 Asian/Chinese applicants.

do you think they would change the dissection thing if we complain?

Yes, a 12 year old unsubstantiated paragraph by a Pharmacology department in Cologne.

Very reliable, giving a qualitative result.
Very relevant to the 2011 Medicine offer holders for Manchester University.

Never done 'How Science Works' ?

Nitpicking much? It's a study into PBL vs LBL, that concluded that PBL is better. The fact it's 12 years old is irrelevant, as I doubt LBL has improved substantially compared to PBL over the past 12 years. Want me to find some more research? There's plenty more supporting PBL.

How the hell is that nitpicking

For all we know, the Pharmacology department at Cologne uses some really ****ty version of LBL. For all we know, the cleverer students were put in the PBL batch. We don't know anything about the authenticity of this place, we know for a fact that it is completely irrelevant to Medicine at Manchester in ENGLAND.

It's a randomised study, so students were randomly placed into the groups to avoid bias. And pharmacology isn't exactly a massively different course to medicine, a lot of the core knowledge would be the same. This study is about as relevant a one you will find for Manchester medical teaching styles.

Edit seeing as you also editted: You're getting a bit angry about this. Other studies comparing PBL and LBL also found a link between higher test scores and PBL. Manchester's satisfaction ratings are irrelevant, many other PBL courses also have satisfaction rates in the high 90%s. Even the GMC reccommends an integrated course structure rather than pure LBL.

I'm not trying to promote PBL, I don't really care, you just asked for a study so I showed you one.

Obviously its randomised but we don't know how it was randomised or whether the randomisation still left the two groups a little uneven.

If this, a 12 year old study from a different course in a different country is the closest study you can find, then you shouldn't be making an assumption. Other studies have been done, nothing is conclusive at all. Manchester and Liverpool are the most PBL heavy universities in England... = 66 and 67% student satisfaction ratings, which is definitely amongst the lowest. Even I would recommend some PBL, but for relevant scenarios, not for the teaching of anatomy etc.

Fair enough, I may have sounded angry but I wasnt haha, I just swear far too much

Bham also has a low student staisfication right?

thats the reason the are ranked so low?