Father fell out with me over the census...

Ah, if my mum saw I ticked no religion she would have gone crazy. End of the day it's your views so there's nothing he can do about it.

Reply 21

im so academic

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Original post by Schumacher

You are born in Scotland, you are Scottish.

Don't get involved with all the rubbish we get about pretending to be Irish or whatever. You're born and bred in this nation, not Ireland.

Huh?

You are born in England, you are English.
You are born in France, you are French.
You are born in Germany, you are German.

Err, no? Your ethnicity stays the same.

Reply 22

rylit91

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Original post by 0utset

Oi you why dont you **** back to where you came from :smile:

Your dads just your dad everyone has their opinion, You fill out the nationality you feel you are it makes no difference its a piece of paper..

Id tell him that, its pointless to argue you are what you are and he has no say...

@schumacher - I wish more people read that :biggrin:

I've lived in the same county/country my whole life. :smile:

Reply 23

Nalced

14

Does it matter? I'm half Irish, half Thai- all Tharish. Born in Saudi, grew up on a air force base with British kids, spent some time in a Thai boarding school full of Taiwanese children and I now study in a Scottish University, been here for the last 3 years.

I wrote, Irish-Scottish I think. My religion is Jedi.

Reply 24

sherlllll

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Original post by Anonymous

He has now apologised but said he should've done more to 'instill a stronger sense of Irish identity'(!!)

So...he basically wanted to get more incredibly drunk with you all the time... :biggrin:

Reply 25

dean01234

19

get over it... your pathetic

Reply 26

AwsomePossum

12

watch out he'll put a nail bomb in you car :P

Reply 27

Yawn11

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Original post by Fabtastic

Wtf - what happened exactly ? :p:

I was like 15, I came home later than she wanted me too (about 10pm). I was like I'm really sorry, and she said OK, and EVERYTHING WAS FINE...

Then she accidentally turned off the TV with the Sky remote control, and I kept trying to tell her how to put it back on (it was really easy), but she was like no, be quiet I'll do it.

And then out of nowhere she flipped, and went crazy and was like get out of my house, and wouldn't see reason.

I ended up sleeping in my dad's car (this was before he passed away).

But yeah... My mum is one crazy bitch. :colonhash:

Reply 28

yawn

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Original post by Anonymous

I mean, someone tell me he's behaved completely out of order here and I've not done anything wrong? In the nineteen years of my life I can honestly say we've never had such a fight and I'm miserable over this. He has now apologised but said he should've done more to 'instill a stronger sense of Irish identity'(!!)

If you didn't live in a country that historically...and currently...has a problem with sectarianism, then you and your father would not have come to grief over your actions. If you can just take a step back and look at both sides as impartially as possible, you will maybe appreciate that for a father to see his child take on the identity of a nation that has been perceived as an enemy of Ireland for hundred of years would be felt as a betrayal of his roots.

Let's draw a comparison: a Jewish child of Israeli parents brought up in Palestine would affend his/her parents if he adopted feelings of loyalty and identity to Palestine and Palestinians...because of the long-term conflict that's been plaguing the two identities. Then let's look at say, Australia or the USA. These problems never arise because there has been no emnity (or short-lived emnity) between these countries and Ireland.

History has a lot to answer to in these situations. Try and empathise a little more and apologise to your father for failing to understand the enormity of his feelings...and tell him not to blame himself for your lack of Irish identity, explaining that sometimes environment play a much bigger part in how we turn out than either nature or nuture.

I see my dad all the time and we never, ever fight over this, let alone discuss it really.

Build those bridges with your dad by talking in a mutually respectful manner, trying to understand how he feels and appealing to him to try to understand how you feel. And reassure him that you are proud of your Irish roots whilst not feeling Irish. :smile:

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 29

Fabtastic

Original post by Yawn11

I was like 15, I came home later than she wanted me too (about 10pm). I was like I'm really sorry, and she said OK, and EVERYTHING WAS FINE...

Then she accidentally turned off the TV with the Sky remote control, and I kept trying to tell her how to put it back on (it was really easy), but she was like no, be quiet I'll do it.

And then out of nowhere she flipped, and went crazy and was like get out of my house, and wouldn't see reason.

I ended up sleeping in my dad's car (this was before he passed away).

But yeah... My mum is one crazy bitch. :colonhash:

That's wayy past anyone's bedtime ! :hmmm:

Sorry to hear that man.

I've always got threats about being thrown out of the house but luckily I always manage to talk my way out it it :colondollar:

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 30

yawn

17

Original post by im so academic

Huh?

You are born in England, you are English.
You are born in France, you are French.
You are born in Germany, you are German.

Err, no? Your ethnicity stays the same.

Christ was born in a stable...was He a horse? :rolleyes:

Reply 31

Jallenbah

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Original post by J_90

I think I put mine in the bin....

Fairly sure you get in trouble / fined if you don't do it..

Reply 32

J_90

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Original post by Jallenbah

Fairly sure you get in trouble / fined if you don't do it..

Ah cool.

Reply 33

Mithra

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Original post by yawn

If you didn't live in a country that historically...and currently...has a problem with sectarianism, then you and your father would not have come to grief over your actions. If you can just take a step back and look at both sides as impartially as possible, you will maybe appreciate that for a father to see his child take on the identity of a nation that has been perceived as an enemy of Ireland for hundred of years would be felt as a betrayal of his roots.

Let's draw a comparison: a Jewish child of Israeli parents brought up in Palestine would affend his/her parents if he adopted feelings of loyalty and identity to Palestine and Palestinians...because of the long-term conflict that's been plaguing the two identities. Then let's look at say, Australia or the USA. These problems never arise because there has been no emnity (or short-lived emnity) between these countries and Ireland.

History has a lot to answer to in these situations. Try and empathise a little more and apologise to your father for failing to understand the enormity of his feelings...and tell him not to blame himself for your lack of Irish identity, explaining that sometimes environment play a much bigger part in how we turn out than either nature or nuture.

Build those bridges with your dad by talking in a mutually respectful manner, trying to understand how he feels and appealing to him to try to understand how you feel. And reassure him that you are proud of your Irish roots whilst not feeling Irish. :smile:

You know OP said he feels Scottish not English right? :p:

Original post by yawn

Christ was born in a stable...was He a horse? :rolleyes:

The country you were born in is slightly different to the building you were born in.. (Also nationality is not really comparable to species, slight racism there?).

Plus 'Christ' wasn't born anywhere but thats another thread entirely.

Reply 34

TheRealDarthVader

14

I put down Jedi. I'm not going to reveal my true identity.

Reply 35

Schumacher

Original post by LtCommanderData

Born and raised isn't the same as born and bred

Original post by im so academic

Huh?

You are born in England, you are English.
You are born in France, you are French.
You are born in Germany, you are German.

Err, no? Your ethnicity stays the same.

The OP is born in Scotland, has been raised in Scotland and considers themselves to be Scottish.

Their father wants them to put down Irish for reasons which I don't want to go into and have absolutely no relation to the census whatsoever.

Reply 36

LtCommanderData

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Original post by Schumacher

The OP is born in Scotland, has been raised in Scotland and considers themselves to be Scottish.

Their father wants them to put down Irish for reasons which I don't want to go into and have absolutely no relation to the census whatsoever.

My point was purely a language one (which I feel still stands), I was making no judgement either way about the situation at hand.

Personally, I wrote "none" for national identity

Reply 37

Schumacher

Original post by LtCommanderData

My point was purely a language one (which I feel still stands), I was making no judgement either way about the situation at hand.

Personally, I wrote "none" for national identity