Muslim Model Recieves Abuse For Entering Miss UK

Well dressing modestly in Islam is mostly for the benefit of the woman. If the woman chooses not to dress modestly then fair enough since it's her own choice and I don't see why others feel the need to throw abuse at her.

No, the criteria for being Muslim is as follows: You must believe that "There is no god but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God."

So because they go against what God says and believe it's permissible they aren't a Muslim?

In what way? so us rapacious males unable to restrain our desires don't go around attacking women? Seriously that's such a patriarchal nonsensical idea. If a woman wants to dress modestly then she can, if she wants to dress along more Western lines then she should be equally able to do so. It's the very essence of free will and freedom, you should be allowed to do what you want, so long as it doesn't hurt others. You shouldn't be told what is good for you, you should decide yourself.

So because they go against what God says and believe it's permissible they aren't a Muslim?

You judge a Muslim by their faith. She has committed disbelief. A person can't worship idols and claim to be a Muslim, can they?

drop the tone.

In my opinion, I don't think its fair to say that someone is not a Muslim based on that website unless you're Islamically qualified to do so, but even then I think God is our ultimate judge on that one. Lets just agree to disagree.
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Western dress =/= not modest

Firstly modesty is an entirely relative concept, what one person considers modest may differ massively from what another does. Secondly the definition of modesty doesn't matter in any way, shape nor form. If someone wants to dress immodestly then he/she should be able to. It's not hurting anyone and thus it should be allowed.

In what way? so us rapacious males unable to restrain our desires don't go around attacking women? Seriously that's such a patriarchal nonsensical idea. If a woman wants to dress modestly then she can, if she wants to dress along more Western lines then she should be equally able to do so. It's the very essence of free will and freedom, you should be allowed to do what you want, so long as it doesn't hurt others. You shouldn't be told what is good for you, you should decide yourself.

Erm, re-read what I wrote. You can't deduce that based on my reasoning. My reasoning was that she states it's ALLOWED ergo changing the religion and what's haram to halal ergo committing Kufrul-Istihaal.


6. Kufrul-Istihaal: Disbelief out of trying to make HARAM into HALAL. This applies to someone who accepts as lawful (Halal) that which Allaah has made unlawful (Haram) like alcohol or adultery.Only Allaah subhanahu wa ta'ala has the prerogative to make things Halal and Haram and those who seek to interfere with His right are like rivals to Him and therefore fall outside the boundries of faith.

If the person back biting believes back biting is halal they aren't a Muslim. That's my reasoning.

Ok....So I guess you agree with the rest of my post? <.<
I was just stating one of the reasons why that idea was in place, I didn't give my opinion on the reason

and I was stating it was a horrible reason that has no relevance to the modern day. If you want to state more reasons I'll debunk each and every one of them.

No one has a right to tell anyone else what they should wear, nor cast judgement upon the modesty or acceptability of what they wear. I think Goths look like bloody idiots but I'd be the first person to defend their right to dress like that.

What I'm saying isn't a particulary revolutionary idea, it's a long held liberal belief that emerged in the 18th and 19th centuries. It's not even a modern thought.

To any other posters reading this is correct. The only exception is if she's been taught that it is acceptable and changes her viewpoint as soon as she realises it's wrong. If she is trying to change what is halaal/haraam then she is no longer a Muslim.

Ok firstly can i ask who yu all are to judge if she's muslim or not? God is the only one who can do that.

no they cant but we arent the ones to judge whether they are muslim or not even if shes doignn things against islam...its simple ur not god so u dont judge the person whether they are good muslim or not...only god knows whats going on in their mind and what they have done throughout their life so stop sayin she isnt muslim its not for u to judge...

Who on TSR has even disagreed with her RIGHT to dress as she pleases? I would like to see these posts you have 'debunked.'

Numerous people on this thread have made the inference that if she dresses that way she can't truly be a Muslim. Which means to be a Muslim you must practice restrictive antiquated notions of how to conduct yourself in public written over a thousand years ago. I am suggesting this is idiotic and that Islam needs to change. That it needs to recognise it's operating in a modern (and also Western) environment and reconcile itself to modern values. Just like mainstream Christianity has done, especially the Protestant churches.

Are the 2 poster's below Apostates? Because they have a different opinion to you.