Do you think the Far Right will ever come to power in Europe again?

Hitler = Nazi = National Socialism = Far Left

I'd get your political terms correct, OP.

I lol'd. Read some more history books, the Nazi party was syncretic, it used both left/right propaganda to gain a broad audience and then promoted a third position as opposed to socialism/capitalism.

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darknessbehold

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Original post by Selkarn

Hitler = Nazi = National Socialism = Far Left

I'd get your political terms correct, OP.

Anyway, with the current anti-white agenda of the government (see my sig) a lot of people are building up a lot of anger.

Its just that the "far right" also have negative policies such as deportation of all ethnic minorities, stopping immigration and all that stuff.
You've got to understand the far right today simply can't put the racist skinhead nazi image to the public. Hence they have to seem well organised, try to look professional for modern politics - and people buy that.

(edited 13 years ago)

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Teveth

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Original post by Selkarn

Hitler = Nazi = National Socialism = Far Left

I'd get your political terms correct, OP.

Anyway, with the current anti-white agenda of the government (see my sig) a lot of people are building up a lot of anger.

The Nazi Party were not a party of the left. Almost every single academic to have studied the subject agrees that the Nazi Party can best be described as a far right party.

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arabcnesbit

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Original post by Ocassus

Uh, excuse me, but i do not believe the 'far-right' are correlated with fascism. The 'far-right' tends to mean economically liberal.
I think you will find Hitlers policies were based on corporatism, an alternative to socialism and capitalism, and therefore does not fall under the 'right wing' doctrine.
Racism =/= Being right wing.

Indeed. But remember, the whole of current western civilisation is based on corporatism and not capitalism.

The American's in particular were huge fans of Mussolini's economic strategy before and after the second world war.

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darknessbehold

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Original post by Bulbasaur

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uk_general_election_2010#Results

Half a million. UKIP got near a million.

I used the number from the European Elections.

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Ocassus

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Original post by arabcnesbit

Indeed. But remember, the whole of current western civilisation is based on corporatism and not capitalism.

The American's in particular were huge fans of Mussolini's economic strategy before and after the second world war.

Eh? I wouldn't say modern western society is based on corporatism, if so, can you point be to how? [evidence, reasoning etc]

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aziz

Hitler = Nazi = National Socialism = Far Left

Not quite- the national component is relevant to extreme right. As well as that, the political spectrum is to be thought of as a circle. At some point, extreme left parties and extreme right become the same thing (cos they meety at a point in the circle if you dig it).

Switzerland is possibly the most right wing country in europe at the minute. ban on minarets, criminals not allowed to gain swiss citizenship, gypsy deportation, casual racism in campaign posters...

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arabcnesbit

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Original post by Teveth

The Nazi Party were not a party of the left. Almost every single academic to have studied the subject agrees that the Nazi Party can best be described as a far right party.

You have to make a distinction between their economic and social policies. In the case of the Nazis, they were totalitarian just like the far left but economically believed in private ownership under the license and control of the state rather than under complete state ownership.

The name was just to try and appeal to as many people as possible. To gain support from the left and right.

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darknessbehold

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Original post by aziz

Not quite- the national component is relevant to extreme right. As well as that, the political spectrum is to be thought of as a circle. At some point, extreme left parties and extreme right become the same thing (cos they meety at a point in the circle if you dig it).

Switzerland is possibly the most right wing country in europe at the minute. ban on minarets, criminals not allowed to gain swiss citizenship, gypsy deportation, casual racism in campaign posters...

lol i thought switzerland was a pretty decent country

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Bulbasaur

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Original post by darknessbehold

I used the number from the European Elections.

Well you shouldn't have really. It's a bit misleading. Most people vote differently in European elections.Not only that but it was almost two years ago...

Less than 2% of people voted BNP in the actual elections, not even gaining fourth place in the vast majority of constituencies, usually beaten by UKIP.

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username388799

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Original post by Ocassus

Eh? I wouldn't say modern western society is based on corporatism, if so, can you point be to how? [evidence, reasoning etc]

ok.
trillions of dollars poured into multinational corporations (banks) to save them from their own mistakes?

I don't really want to get into more details (subsidies to agribusinesses and transportation, protectionism against poor nations, immigration restrictions and licensing which favour rich doctors and lawyers,r etc, etc, etc) but it's truly amazing how corporatist the modern world is.

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Struggle

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Original post by Selkarn

Hitler = Nazi = National Socialism = Far Left

I'd get your political terms correct, OP.

Anyway, with the current anti-white agenda of the government (see my sig) a lot of people are building up a lot of anger.

How very gullible of you.
The Nazi's in Germany termed themselves 'National Socialists' to appease workers and thus gain more support. It was a strategy, just as it is a strategy to blame immigrants for lack of jobs.

To state Nazism is 'Far-Left' merely because they termed themselves 'National Socialists' shows how taken in you have been.

Nazism and Communism could not be more different, which is why Communists and Fascists hate each other. Fascism is about the government forming an alliance with big business. Fascism has consistently throughout history only ever occurred during times when the ruling class fear a Socialist Revolution. In other words, the businesses supported Fascism over Socialism in order to protect their material interests.

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Ocassus

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Original post by Bourgeois

ok.
trillions of dollars poured into multinational corporations (banks) to save them from their own mistakes?

I don't really want to get into more details (subsidies to agribusinesses and transportation, protectionism against poor nations, immigration restrictions and licensing which favour rich doctors and lawyers,r etc, etc, etc) but it's truly amazing how corporatist the modern world is.

I suppose it does have elements of it, but the bailouts for example were only temporary solutions [AFAIK], and the government probably isn't intent on retaining those stocks.
These are all broadly elements of ideology though, and not economic system. For example, protectionism against poor nations isn't a facet of our economic system, it is a facet of a more 'compassionate' government [influenced by globalization and media etc etc].

I could go on.

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aziz

lol i thought switzerland was a pretty decent country

theyre good at conceealing the **** that goes on there. Another interesting fact is that geneva has one of the highest rates of mental illness in western europe

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Toon Fan

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I think to compare modern Europe to people in the 1930s is seriously wrong. No where in Europe is there a potential Nazi Germany (Right extreme govt). In all major economic military european powers, extreme right wing groups are and WILL remain a majority..

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Rakas21

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Original post by arabcnesbit

You have to make a distinction between their economic and social policies. In the case of the Nazis, they were totalitarian just like the far left but economically believed in private ownership under the license and control of the state rather than under complete state ownership.

The name was just to try and appeal to as many people as possible. To gain support from the left and right.

I personally veiw the 'third way' as just being pure nationalism/authoritarianism.

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Rascacielos

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Possibly. Maybe in a couple of hundred years' time (or even sooner perhaps) when people get so fed up of immigration that they turn to parties like the BNP. Although it might not be in the 'Europe' as we know it.

That wasn't an expression of my own opinions on immigration by the way.

We can only hope

Original post by Ocassus

Eh? I wouldn't say modern western society is based on corporatism, if so, can you point be to how? [evidence, reasoning etc]

In a capitalist system there would be no (enforced) taxation, there would be no regulation, the state would have no say in the running of businesses.

In a corporatist system the state grants permission to corporations to function as long as they follow the rules set out by the government.

For instance they would have to abide by any regulations the state imposes, they would have to pay a fee (taxes) in order to keep their business going, they would have to follow any rules imposed at the whims of the state and if they do not, then their "license" to trade would be withdrawn and they would have their property confiscated "fines" or be imprisoned.

Which system does ours resemble the closest?

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Rakas21

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In regards to the thread title, i do agree.

I think of politics and economics as going in cycles. In terms of democracy, it is near its peak and as such i think that in the future we will see the rise of authoritarian governments.

In regards to whether it will be the right or the left, after a breif lull in the early 1900's, capitalism has taken off and as such in the long term i would expect a return to communism for some countries.

In summary, i expect communism and nationalism to gain support in the long term.

Do you think the Far Right will ever come to power in Europe again?

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