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Reply 40

Wednesday Bass

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Original post by Smack

We didn't use it last time.

Fair enough, but I've definitely seen it before.

Reply 41

ByronicHero

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To be honest - using the political compass is a bit dodgy anyway. It is little more than a novelty and doesn't accurately represent people most of the time.

This is all a game though so fair play :holmes:

Reply 42

Norfolkadam

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Original post by Wilzman

I dislike being painted with the same brush as Addzter.
I had a 100% voting record during my time as an MP, but his was virtually zero.

We generally have very active MPs in the Lib Dems.

Yes, sorry, people on the Liber forum would know that but it's not fair to paint you like that to the public. It's removed.

Reply 43

Norfolkadam

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Original post by paddy__power

To be honest - using the political compass is a bit dodgy anyway. It is little more than a novelty and doesn't accurately represent people most of the time.

This is all a game though so fair play :holmes:

Nolan Chart yo. :cool:

Reply 44

Wednesday Bass

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Original post by mevidek

No. Socialism promises equality for all. We want to:
1) Make the environment better (we did not include that in our manifesto, but it is one of our key policies)
2) Give Gurkhas UK Citizenship
3) Reduce student tuition fees to £3,000 so that everyone, or almost everyone can afford it, but so we can also gain money.
4) Support poorer countries by building more schools, hospitals with our supervision, rather than giving money to frequently corrupt governments.
5) We listen to the people, unlike you, the Conservatives as is evident since they came into power since last June.

1) As with us.

2) As (generally) strong supporters of the armed forces, I assure you it will be one of the first things we address in the new parliament

3) Everyone can afford to go to university. The government offers loans to cover the full amount. With the new system, universities are offering bursaries and grants to help students from poorer background - hell, Loughborough University is planning on offering £3,000 in financial aid per year. The problem is the media is fixated on the £9,000 figure and not at the repayment scheme.

4) It should be done by giving to charities rather than directly to corrupt governments. It's a massive flaw in the current system.

5) Because the protests have been really clear in providing an alternative. Saturday had protesters with signs proclaiming "No cuts" show how much of a clue some of the protesters have with how to clear the structural deficit. "March for the alternative" - would you mind sharing the alternative with us?

Reply 45

ByronicHero

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Original post by Norfolkadam

Nolan Chart yo. :cool:

Allow Nolan :hand:

Reply 46

mevidek

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Original post by Wednesday Bass

1) As with us.

2) As (generally) strong supporters of the armed forces, I assure you it will be one of the first things we address in the new parliament

3) Everyone can afford to go to university. The government offers loans to cover the full amount. With the new system, universities are offering bursaries and grants to help students from poorer background - hell, Loughborough University is planning on offering £3,000 in financial aid per year. The problem is the media is fixated on the £9,000 figure and not at the repayment scheme.

4) It should be done by giving to charities rather than directly to corrupt governments. It's a massive flaw in the current system.

5) Because the protests have been really clear in providing an alternative. Saturday had protesters with signs proclaiming "No cuts" show how much of a clue some of the protesters have with how to clear the structural deficit. "March for the alternative" - would you mind sharing the alternative with us?

Sharing the alternative? Of course. Tax the corporates, the rich population more than the poor, tax industry more as well. We could also slightly increase graduate tax.

Plus, how many charity workers are killed in the countries they work in? Many. If you send government officials, who are well protected, who also supervise the operations, then things will actually be done. Every year people donate millions, yet how much has the world improved? Very little, if at all.

How can everyone afford to go to university if the cost is so high? People will be having to pay triple the amount than before, and the amount of debt will increase, not including any other debts left unpaid. The poor members of society will not be able to pay if you raise the prices considerably.

It is obvious that our glorious leader, David Cameron has no intention on acting on what the people want, only what he wants. Plus the Lib-dems have totally sucked up to you tories, despite the fact that they are very powerful, and should say: "No! We will not always do what you say!"

Socialism does provide equality, freedom, democracy and most of all, a good quality of life for all.

Reply 47

SciFiRory

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Original post by Wednesday Bass

3) Everyone can afford to go to university. The government offers loans to cover the full amount. With the new system, universities are offering bursaries and grants to help students from poorer background - hell, Loughborough University is planning on offering £3,000 in financial aid per year. The problem is the media is fixated on the £9,000 figure and not at the repayment scheme.

4) It should be done by giving to charities rather than directly to corrupt governments. It's a massive flaw in the current system.

5) Because the protests have been really clear in providing an alternative. Saturday had protesters with signs proclaiming "No cuts" show how much of a clue some of the protesters have with how to clear the structural deficit. "March for the alternative" - would you mind sharing the alternative with us?

3) I actually disagree with both of you on this, imo Education is a fundemental right that should be free to access at all levels, funded via general taxation as with the rest of the education system.

4) technically neither has "worked", they tried giving to governments, they were too corrupt, they tried giving to NGO's, they were too corrupt, they tried giving to charities, they didnt have the resources to provide the aid and services, its a complex issue which needs a proper review and serious thought, I would avoid simplifying it to score political points, a cross party bill on different ways of improving aid and support to the developing world would be a good move if we are serious about this.

5) *sigh* if you actually listen to people, there are plenty of alternatives, primarily people have suggested any number of taxation methods to reduce or even make completley unneccessary the cuts the government irl is making, not to mention that many economists have also said that we dont need to cut as far and as fast, we also can look at making cuts in other areas like Trident, there is MOST DEFINITLEY an alternative, in fact there are many, chosing to ignore them is all well and good if you are in the government or in the media where nobody can reply to you, but this is neither so people will give you alternatives, at least acknowledge them, if you dont agree then fine, but dont pretend that the cuts are anything other than ideological, that might work with some idiots, but it wont "cut it" here.

Reply 48

Student28061

Original post by Norfolkadam

Yes, sorry, people on the Liber forum would know that but it's not fair to paint you like that to the public. It's removed.

Thanks, I appreciate it. :smile:

Reply 49

SciFiRory

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Original post by paddy__power

surley this is just spam now :tongue:

Reply 50

ByronicHero

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Original post by SciFiBoy

surley this is just spam now :tongue:

I'm maintaining a presence for members who click and taken to the last post :yes:

Reply 51

username202682

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Original post by paddy__power

I'm maintaining a presence for members who click and taken to the last post :yes:

Let me get this straight - You're depicting Boris saying (in inference) he will vote Labour? :facepalm2:

Reply 52

cambo211

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Original post by SciFiBoy

surley this is just spam now :tongue:

The spam is only alive in your post now.

Delete the quote to get rid of it entirely :tongue:

Reply 53

SciFiRory

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Original post by Stricof

Let me get this straight - You're depicting Boris saying (in inference) he will vote Labour? :facepalm2:

to be fair if TSR Labour are anything like Labour IRL then its not that big a stretch.

Original post by Stricof

Let me get this straight - You're depicting Boris saying (in inference) he will vote Labour? :facepalm2:

He told me himself.

Reply 56

jumpingjesusholycow

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Lmao.

The TSR Centre Party believes that the Lib Dems are more authoritarian than Labour according to their graph.

Always good for a laff.

Reply 57

toronto353

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Vote TSR UKIP in this general election! Good luck to all the other parties in this election! If anyone has any questions, just ask.

Good luck all!

Original post by mevidek

Sharing the alternative? Of course. Tax the corporates, the rich population more than the poor, tax industry more as well. We could also slightly increase graduate tax.

I'm guessing you're unaware of the Laffer curve? If you raise taxes too much, wealthy people and businesses will leave for some tax haven. We need a competitive tax system to attract new businesses to our shores to lower unemployment and increase overall tax revenue. But we can't do that if you raise taxes.

Plus, how many charity workers are killed in the countries they work in? Many. If you send government officials, who are well protected, who also supervise the operations, then things will actually be done. Every year people donate millions, yet how much has the world improved? Very little, if at all.

As I said, it's a flawed system and it needs massive review. But we can't keep giving money to corrupt governments. More gets done by donating to charities that have access to these countries. What do you want us to do? Send in armed forces to every country we provide aid for? I'm sure that would go down well with whatever country they go into and the UN.

How can everyone afford to go to university if the cost is so high? People will be having to pay triple the amount than before, and the amount of debt will increase, not including any other debts left unpaid. The poor members of society will not be able to pay if you raise the prices considerably.

How can you not afford to go. You pay nothing up front. In the new system if a university plans on charging over £6,000 they will have to show that they are providing help for those from worse off backgrounds. You pay nothing back until you're earning £21,000 and even then it's 9% on every pound over that. Earning £22,000 a year in the new system means you pay £7.50 a month (check for yourself). And you're telling me that people can't afford that?

It is obvious that our glorious leader, David Cameron has no intention on acting on what the people want, only what he wants. Plus the Lib-dems have totally sucked up to you tories, despite the fact that they are very powerful, and should say: "No! We will not always do what you say!"

You're under the impression that all Tories on here bow down to Cameron as our undisputed leader. I know a few Tories who accept him as the leader but don't necessarily agree with him on different things. Imagine this: The coalition make a U-turn on damn near every policy they've put forward in the past 11 months; you would say that it shows the sign of a weak government. On the other side: you criticise the coalition for following through with their policies and claim they're a weak government because they don't listen to the people. Tell me, what are they supposed to do? They have a plan to reduce the structural deficit of the country, and they're going through with it - it's far too early to see whether it's working or not.

TSR MHoC General Election April 2011

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