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Teaching & PhD

Dear All,

I had been accepted for a PhD in history and recently found out that I was successfully awarded a full studentship to cover full fees and maintenance.

Part of the studentship consists of teaching for an average of 4 hours per week. Though I'm ecstatic, of course, and eagerly look forward to doing both the PhD and teaching, I am somewhat anxious and wondered whether there are any other Doctoral candidates out there, in history or any other field, who are teaching, and would be kind enough to share their experiences?

I'm interested in gaining an idea of how much preparation time is taken up through teaching, what benefits have come out of it, do you enjoy it, how it has contributed to your post-doctoral success, if that is the case, etc.

Any contribution would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Most of us do, I think. At my university we get officially paid for an extra hour's prep per teaching, plus one hour of office hours. I think it's fair to say the consensus is that this (usually) is a gross underestimation of the time we put in, but it depends on the module - for some, I have been known to put in about 12 hours per week towards essay time, for others it's a quick half hour skim of some journal articles to remind me what I'm meant to be doing. I do enjoy it. I think it's a bit of a rite of passage and I suspect most lectureships expect you to have at least some teaching experience; but if you want to stay in academia the onus is on research and publications so be wary about pouring so much time into teaching that it cuts into this.
I have a slightly different perspective so bear with me.

Firstly, I'm a Biology student!

Second, in the uni I'm at for my undergrad PhD students don't do any lectures or tutorials. They only get involved in demonstrating for lab work and in helping/supervising undergrads who do final year projects in their labs.

The uni I'm going to for my own PhD said I could get involved in teaching if I wanted to but it had to be worked around my research because that's what I'm primarily there to do. They haven't specifially told me what I can and cannot get involved in as a PhD student though.

I would imagine, like the poster above said, that if you're involved in lecturing it would depend on the module and how much reading you need to do around it and things like preparing the slides, maybe writing exam questions, marking etc. This can probably be quite a lot of work. If you're involved in giving tutorials or conducting seminars then it may be quite closely related to your own research and will depend on what the group wants-I would think smaller groups are easier to cater to but I can't say that from experience because I've never done any teaching! :tongue:
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I do a bit of teaching, demonstrating, supervising field trips and marking, my contract says that if I'm offered it I have to take it (still get paid obviously (£26ph!!!) up to 8 hours a month, last couple of months I've done 12 and 6 hours respectively.

I did a tutorial first, to stand in for someone else, and I was really prepared, worked out a plan and things, then I realised that 75% of undergrads really don't want to be there, and now I just play it by ear, it seems to work better that way. I'm doing tutorials on things I haven't covered for 5 years and I haven't been caught out with a difficult question yet, its really not difficult... in fact its depressingly easy.

Its just a good way to make a bit of extra cash, no one really seems to take it that seriously, my supervisor is constantly telling me to not prepare, because at the end of the day you can be the best or worst teacher ever, but no one will care about it after you've finished your PhD. Also the first thing he said to me regarding it was 'if they wanted someone who is good at teaching, they would get a teacher, but they don't they want someone who is flexible and fairly cheap who will read some essays and can explain a few things,' and basically that sums up how you have to see it, having said that I actually quite enjoy it, and there are some really good students, but yeah, research first, teaching second, always.

To be honest they probably just tell you you're expected to teach so that they don't get people who flat out refuse to.
Original post by LostRiot
Its just a good way to make a bit of extra cash, no one really seems to take it that seriously, my supervisor is constantly telling me to not prepare, because at the end of the day you can be the best or worst teacher ever, but no one will care about it after you've finished your PhD. Also the first thing he said to me regarding it was 'if they wanted someone who is good at teaching, they would get a teacher, but they don't they want someone who is flexible and fairly cheap who will read some essays and can explain a few things,' and basically that sums up how you have to see it, having said that I actually quite enjoy it, and there are some really good students, but yeah, research first, teaching second, always.


This is where my undergrad perspective comes in. I'm on the Department's Staff-Student Group/Board of Studies and myself and the other student reps actually stopped any post-docs and PhD students from doing lectures/tutorials by arguing that the standard of teaching was falling and that there was no consistency coz we had some brilliant post-doc lectures and some crapppy ones. So, I think it depends on how strong the undergrad voice in your Dept is and whether the Dept is more undergrad teaching/postgrad research focused.

We're now pushing to have a student rep on the interview panel for new taching members of staff so that the hiring focus is not completely on research. I think with the higher undergrad fees, unis worry that undergrads will want more of a say in how they get taught but how student concerns are handled is different from uni to uni and dept to dept. I guess some unis/depts could formalise a requirement for postgrads to teach and train them accordingly if there is going to be a new focus on teaching too when unis hire people for academic posts.
Yeah, that is really, really not the attitude my department takes. We're trained and pushed to be good teachers because otherwise the undergrads slag us off in the NSS and we go down the league tables. I don't think anyone is under any illusions that this is not what our future careers will depend upon but it's still important to me to do a good job because the undergrads pay my wages and they have a right to expect me to make an effort.

Maybe this is a subject thing though - I'm social sciences so our teaching load is a lot more involved and consistent than doing the odd lab - last semester I was doing 6 hours p/w with my seminar groups and marking all their work / hand holding / answering queries. I think it's impossible to treat that kind of commitment casually.
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It would be really beneficial during the PhD. It would consolidate a better understanding of the research. Also remember that you have to prepare each lecture (which can take a good while) before each presentation. Having said this, it is not necessary when doing a PhD.
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Original post by alleycat393
This is where my undergrad perspective comes in. I'm on the Department's Staff-Student Group/Board of Studies and myself and the other student reps actually stopped any post-docs and PhD students from doing lectures/tutorials by arguing that the standard of teaching was falling and that there was no consistency coz we had some brilliant post-doc lectures and some crapppy ones. So, I think it depends on how strong the undergrad voice in your Dept is and whether the Dept is more undergrad teaching/postgrad research focused.

We're now pushing to have a student rep on the interview panel for new taching members of staff so that the hiring focus is not completely on research. I think with the higher undergrad fees, unis worry that undergrads will want more of a say in how they get taught but how student concerns are handled is different from uni to uni and dept to dept. I guess some unis/depts could formalise a requirement for postgrads to teach and train them accordingly if there is going to be a new focus on teaching too when unis hire people for academic posts.


I think this is a good idea and I wish you well. Out of interest, how would you be able to assess teaching performance in the interview stage; some applicants might have lots of teaching experience because they were worked in a former-polytechnic, for example, but that does not mean that they are actually any good at teaching? I know lots of secondary schools get applicants to teach a lesson as part of their interview process, which I think could be crossed over into higher education without many difficulties (so long as the number of interviewees was small).
Original post by evantej
I think this is a good idea and I wish you well. Out of interest, how would you be able to assess teaching performance in the interview stage; some applicants might have lots of teaching experience because they were worked in a former-polytechnic, for example, but that does not mean that they are actually any good at teaching? I know lots of secondary schools get applicants to teach a lesson as part of their interview process, which I think could be crossed over into higher education without many difficulties (so long as the number of interviewees was small).


So the way things work here is that applicants give a research seminar which is open to anyone tho not everyone knows that the person giving the seminar is an applicant. For the interview, questions are decided beforehand and the same questions are asked to every applicant to make things fair. The student reps (including myself) are still working on the proposal to the HoD about how we can look at teaching performance at the interview stage-maybe give applicants particular scenarios and ask how they would respond to those?

Any ideas? :tongue:
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Original post by alleycat393
So the way things work here is that applicants give a research seminar which is open to anyone tho not everyone knows that the person giving the seminar is an applicant. For the interview, questions are decided beforehand and the same questions are asked to every applicant to make things fair. The student reps (including myself) are still working on the proposal to the HoD about how we can look at teaching performance at the interview stage-maybe give applicants particular scenarios and ask how they would respond to those?

Any ideas? :tongue:


I suppose it depends upon what area of study you work in, but the problem with research seminars for me in the humanities is that it is a rather sterile environment; yes, some students might attend but they almost never ask questions, which means the lecturer makes no amendments for his audience and it is basically just a conference paper in all but name.

I went to a research seminar on a French text before Christmas and the lecturer, who came from another university (either Queen Mary or Royal Holloway, if I remember right), had spoken French within her talk and provided a handout with French quotations and had not bothered to translate either. While you might think I am being picky, or might even question why I was there in the first place, if I go to a research seminar that is supposed to be in English (it was advertised as such) and I miss aspects of the paper because of language issues then that is a problem that the lecturer could have avoided with more preparation and forethought.

A far better test for a lecturer would be to take a core-unit seminar. For example, if they specialise in nineteenth-century literature, and not all research-based recruitments are bad because some areas simply have to be covered on an undergraduate degree, then it would be good to say to them in advance that you will be assessed on your performance in a seminar on Charles Dickens's Hard Times.

Logistics becomes an issue as you have to provide the lecturer with the lecture in advance (i.e. he knows what the department wants to cover and in what way) and you have to ensure that the seminar is on a subject that the lecturer does not necessarily specialise on. The university lecturer who would have normally taken the seminar can sit in and assess performance too. In my opinion, it takes far more skill to control and stimulate discussion in a seminar than to present and answer questions in a research seminar. Again, it depends on the size of the department and university you work in as to whether any of these suggestions can be applied.
Original post by evantej
I suppose it depends upon what area of study you work in, but the problem with research seminars for me in the humanities is that it is a rather sterile environment; yes, some students might attend but they almost never ask questions, which means the lecturer makes no amendments for his audience and it is basically just a conference paper in all but name.

Logistics becomes an issue as you have to provide the lecturer with the lecture in advance (i.e. he knows what the department wants to cover and in what way) and you have to ensure that the seminar is on a subject that the lecturer does not necessarily specialise on. The university lecturer who would have normally taken the seminar can sit in and assess performance too. In my opinion, it takes far more skill to control and stimulate discussion in a seminar than to present and answer questions in a research seminar. Again, it depends on the size of the department and university you work in as to whether any of these suggestions can be applied.


I'm in the sciences-I study Biochemistry so things are very different!

A research seminar is meant to be just that-current research which is very different from kinds of things that are taught at the undergrad level. The delivery is also very different but then again you have people who are crap at presenting even their own work. But aside from that you also have people who are very charismatic and present really well but you leave the seminar thinking what did i really learn from that and those are the kinds of signs we'd be looking for whereas otherwise the focus would be on whether the research is good and if it's what the Dept needs to fill a gap in research expertise.

Our Dept's always looking to increase the variety of modules available to us to include even some of the more obscure or very new areas of biology. Also, only third years have really been exposed to seminars and would sit in on interview panels because we have a much better idea of what makes a good lecturer.
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Very informative - thanks chaps.
Reply 12
From what I've heard, this is quite common.
We get paid £50 per class per week, including all the work that does with that. Excluding exam marking which is paid extra if you do it.

I also take it very seriously and strive to be as good as I can at it, as I do with anything professional. I wouldn't be happy approaching it half heartedly.

Preparing takes a half day - day for me for three classes, but I probably over prepare. But once you've taught the module before this will reduce significantly. Benefits = rewarding, interesting, human interaction!, CV bonus. I do enjoy it though found it very stressful at first because I wanted to get it right. It gets easier the more you do like anything.

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