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Can you Differentiate tan2 theta !?

Parametric Equation

x= tan theta, y= tan2theta

Find the value if dy/dx when theta= pi/6

I differentiated tan theta got 1/cos theta which is sec? but stuck on the next part :frown:

Thx ..
(edited 13 years ago)

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Reply 1
Try the chain rule
let 2theta = x
then differentiate tan x and then sub in the thetas in at the end.
Original post by mufas
Parametric Equation

x= tan theta, y= tan2theta

Find the value if dy/dx when theta= pi/6

I differentiated tan theta got 1/cos theta which is sec? but stuck on the next part :frown:

Thx ..


Are you asking about tan2(θ)tan^2(\theta) or tan(2θ)tan(2\theta)?
Original post by Ben121
Try the chain rule


got 2sec^2x but still dont work:frown:
Original post by EEngWillow
Are you asking about or ?


this one :smile:
Original post by mufas
this one :smile:


In that case use the chain rule with u = 2theta as suggested. Post your working if you got the wrong answer and we can help you further.

EDIT: Just saw your post above. The argument inside your trig function should still be 2theta. Otherwise you've done it correctly.
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Original post by EEngWillow
In that case use the chain rule with u = 2theta as suggested. Post your working if you got the wrong answer and we can help you further.

EDIT: Just saw your post above. The argument inside your trig function should still be 2theta. Otherwise you've done it correctly.


Again I got 2/cos2theta :frown:

so when (2/cos2theta) / (1/cos theta )

= 2cos theta / cos 2 theta :frown:

when i sub pi/6 into the top one i get decimals , but the answer is 6!
(edited 13 years ago)
Original post by mufas
Again I got 2/cos2theta :frown:

so when (2/cos2theta) / (1/cos theta )

= 2cos theta / cos 2 theta :frown:

when i sub pi/6 into the top one i get decimals , but the answer is 6!


Ah, I've seen your problem. Silly me. The derivitive of tan(theta) isn't sec(theta). Try doing that one again.
Original post by EEngWillow
Ah, I've seen your problem. Silly me. The derivitive of tan(theta) isn't sec(theta). Try doing that one again.


checked again same ans whats wrong? :confused:

its 2/cos2theta ?
Reply 10
try differentiating tan with the quotient rule, remembering tanx = (sinx)/(cosx) and see what the standard result for differentiating tan is :smile:
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Original post by RK92
try differentiating tan with the quotient rule, remembering tanx = (sinx)/(cosx) and see what the standard result for differentiating tan is :smile:


its tan 2 theta not just tan theta :s-smilie:
Its been 40 min still no solution !! I'm still trying!
Original post by mufas
checked again same ans whats wrong? :confused:

its 2/cos2theta ?


Basically,

ddθtan(θ)sec(θ)\dfrac{d}{d\theta}tan(\theta) \neq sec(\theta)

which is what you put in the first post. It's what you've calculated for the very first part. I suspect this mistake was carried through into your calculation of ddθtan(2θ)\dfrac{d}{d\theta}tan(2\theta) which is why you're getting the wrong answer.
Original post by EEngWillow
Basically,



which is what you put in the first post. It's what you've calculated for the very first part. I suspect this mistake was carried through into your calculation of which is why you're getting the wrong answer.


I'm sorry I'm completely LOST :confused: can you please post The working for some bits at least, since i dont want to take any more of your time :frown:
u can....
Can somebody atleast give me the solution EVEN without no working, so that i could work towards it :frown:
Reply 17
Original post by mufas
its tan 2 theta not just tan theta :s-smilie:


yeah, you can use the chain rule afterwards.

answer you want is 2sec²(2x)

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Original post by RK92
yeah, you can use the chain rule afterwards.

answer you want is 2sec²(2x)

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I have got this same answer earlier on but it doesn't work for some reason

(1/cosx)/(2sec²(2x) ) = 2cosx/ cos2x so when you sub the pi/6 you dont get 6
Original post by mufas
I have got this same answer earlier on but it doesn't work for some reason

(1/cosx)/(2sec²(2x) ) = 2cosx/ cos2x so when you sub the pi/6 you dont get 6


I'll repeat what I said then. In your first post, you've said this:

I differentiated tan theta got 1/cos theta


This is not correct. You need to fix this before you can get the right answer.

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