TSR's 2012 Tuition Fees Tracker - how much are universities charging in 2012?

I was under the impression that the "exceptional fees" would be based on access for poorer students. Not whether the individual university was in the league tables or there were other, better universities nearby. In other words the only way they couldn't charge the full fees is if they didn't have fair access.

Under that criteria, LJMU is surely more qualified than the likes of Oxbridge to do this because it is more far more likely poorer students would attend. (I'm not saying that LMJU is worth the same as Oxbridge, obviously. (as someone who has LJMU as my insurance... close to home))

This was always going to happen, there will be a smattering of £6-7k fees but the vast, vast majority of uni's will charge the full £9k. It happened before and it will happen in the future (we aren't far off having no cap at all, mind) and I would be astounded if the government didn't know this beforehand.

...and another one who doesn't understand the process.

On the contrary, any uni who charges over 6k has to supplement poor students a percentage above 6k-9k..meaning charging above that is unwise if your cohort is predominently poor students

Unis are c harging 9k because the government has taking all the funding and its litereally the only way unis can remain at previous levels (let alone go further with education)...i dont begrudge any uni for charging 9k, its the disgusting facade underwhich they introduced this rise

Is there going to be a new thread every time this happens? There should just be one big thread to post all announcements of new uni fee's being released.

Even if poor students are put off from the £9k, LJMU's student base will still be from that poorer area. If that makes sense. As far as I know the specific rules haven't really been clarified and so universities can already claim they do enough to entice poorer students with bursaries, grants etc.

Why would a poor student go to LJMU for £9000, when they can go to Oxford for potentially £3500 (+ £6000 for every consequent year)?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/110315_1.html

Yup.
I'll admit I don't understand it fully.
I'm just going off the simplified BBC site.

If you feel like explaining it properly then go ahead...

Why would a poor student go to LJMU for £9000, when they can go to Oxford for potentially £3500 (+ £6000 for every consequent year)?

http://www.ox.ac.uk/media/news_releases_for_journalists/110315_1.html

Because they're not intellectually capable of getting into Oxford?

What about other universities like Durham, UCL, Leicester etc that could potentially offer bursaries and grants?

No offence, but people who are only intellectually capable enough to attend LJMU should not be going to university at all.

No offence, but people who are only intellectually capable enough to attend LJMU should not be going to university at all.

Welcome to TSR.

OP: You may as well have renamed the thread "Liverpool John Moores to close down".

What about other universities like Durham, UCL, Leicester etc that could potentially offer bursaries and grants?

No offence, but people who are only intellectually capable enough to attend LJMU should not be going to university at all.

The universities exist for a reason and 50% of LJMU graduates get a job within 6 months of graduating.

A lot of them also go on to do Masters elsewhere to do further their education.

People who are only intellectually capable enough to attend LJMU should not be going to university at all?

They are obviously intellectually capable enough to go to the university that is LJMU and those that require equal entrance requirements or lower!

So obviously they should be going to university as they have the required grades to enter a number of institutions.

You also forget to factor in that other people have personal problems in their life that can affect their studying and rather than resit A levels they choose to do an undergraduate degree at a less well renown university and then do their Masters at a better university.

What type of jobs?

Doesn't matter! they still get employment. In this day and age its hard enough to get a decent job. Even graduates are struggling, those from highly regarded institutions.

Where? What subjects? Do they complete it to a suitable standard?

Obviously they do as they get employed and an employer who has run a company is far more suited to making a recruitment decision than you.

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Only because it is called a "university".

BECAUSE IT IS A UNIVERSITY.

seriously, you're called 'im so academic' but you do not come across as intellectually gifted or represent a decent level of common sense in your responses to be honest! being academic is one thing, possessing common sense and learning to view things in a rational matter is another entirely.

I do not consider them as proper academic institutions.

Yeah well many employers, people and the educational system do, hence why they are regarded as proper academic institutions. So who is right? you or the opinion of those that count and have been working in the education sector for years? I suspect the latter!

I'd rather they resat A-levels and went on to a better university in the first place.

Academics cost about the same regardless of the university; if you search around on the jobs section of the Times Higher Education site you can get more of an insight into this.

Also, as an ex-poly student, I can say I've never heard a single case of a graduate student teaching a class. Plus the library at my university is pretty darn good, but then, even if I was at Harvard I'd probably still spend 90% of my research time on Google Books/Scholar instead.

How much of an idiot do you have to be to believe the fees were going up this year? It was clearly stated in all the articles and news programs I watched.

When you looked at the websites of the universities you were applying to , what numbers did you see in the fee section?

Common sense would tell you that they can't do that. It's a bit like applying to a uni that asked for AAB and then by January they change the requirement to AAA. Do you think that's possible? Of course not. If the unis want to change the entry requirements, they would have to wait until September, when the next lot apply. Same principle applies with fees.