For all you anti gun hoplophobes on here

NO! guns don't make people into killers. they're inanimate objects.

Cars can cause a lot more damage than a pistol if the user wants to cause damage.

Should we ban cars too?

That is a silly argument and, incidentally, you could claim the same of virtually anything made from glass, metal or wood. Cars are vital to the 21st century economy and are useful; injury and death are an unfortunate by-product of that utility. This is not true of guns.

jeopradising peoples freedom won't make them safer

Nobody's freedom is jeopardised, except for their freedom to kill others.

no, its the freedom to defend yourself efficiently from others

That isn't recognised in British law.

well lets hope you or your loved ones never have to defend yourself then since its not recognised in British law

well lets hope you or your loved ones never have to defend yourself then since its not recognised in British law

Much easier to defend yourself against an attacker with a knife (which is the most likely in this country) then an attacker with a gun to your head.
It's not about having the best thing available to defend yourself... If guns are obtainable by anyone, the attacker has mostly likely got a pretty good one.

Self defence is. What you refer to as efficient self defence isn't.

what would you class as a pretty good one then? you're argument hasn't really got a solid basis. are you saying that the attacker is more likely to have a better brand of firearm then you? a larger caliber? even if the attackers started going on a massacre with assault rifles, mumbai massacre style you would still have a 99% better chance of neutralising them with a 9mm handgun then if you were unarmed.

Exactly, that's my point. Cars, glass, and metal are just as lethal as guns, and yet you drive cars every day.

Incidentally, do you know how much guns cost? Do you really think someone is going to waste that amount of money on a gun just to kill you, when they can buy a kitchen knife from Tesco for several pounds and do the same job?



False. Guns are one of the most important things in any free society. The right to bear arms is the last line of defence against tyrants. Specifically, when any Government (even a democratically elected one) becomes destructive of the unalienable rights of the population, it is the right of that population to throw off the regime (which, by infringing upon unalienable rights, has surrendered it's legitimacy). I suspect you'll come back with some guff about "The ballot box" being able to magically sprout wings and deal with the problem. A Government came to power democratically in Germany in the early thirties. Over the next decade, they waged war, sent people to gas chambers, and systematically exterminated their enemies. This was all legal according to their legislation, which was enacted by a democratically elected regime. Still, maybe you have a bullet-proof ballot box

If the Jews and and gypsies in Germany had all been armed, they could have inflicted massive casualties onto the regime. The German Army, instead of sending a handful of men to round up a household, would have literally needed an entire attack squad to fight room-to-room in each and every single household in Germany, locate and shoot the weapon-carrier, and somehow do this without antagonizing all the other gun-owners on the same street without sustaining any casualties. I truly do not understand the attitude of anyone who STILL insists that the Jews should have somehow "challenged their democratically elected government via the ballot box" instead of using arms to throw off their democratically elected regime.

Let's take a modern example - You hear about the poor citizens of Libya being helpless against their government. Those citizens and the rebels outnumber the Libyan Army, and with the no-fly-zone in place, could turn the course of the war very quickly if they were all armed. I also think you'd see higher levels of desertion from the Libyan Army - Not many soldiers would be so keen on clamping down on their citizens if every citizen in it is carrying a gun.

Yup, that's pretty much what I was expecting after exposing your irrational fear of firearms, and defeated your arguments.

Yet the citizens of the UK manage perfectly well without them. What nonsense! You have been brainwashed by the US gun lobby, and such language is so much hyped eyewash here.