full list of university fees

Why should it be the people who are least at fault for the problems, and least able to bear the burden though?

"The ones who have to pay for it." Yes, but certainly not the only ones.

Still, if you look at it that way, these are the same people who are subsidising the large majority of the remaining costs, despite the $9000 fee.

The young always support the old. That's how pension systems work. Right now, it's just that, arguably, they need us more than ever. Exactly how much they need from us, however, i have no idea, hence why I'm still against the fee rise. I feel it makes too little difference to matter, especially at such great 'social unrest' (or maybe this is precisely why it matters, because if everybody said this...)

But I still think teaching should improve (left over money) could help increase the resources etc...

So past generations get a full NHS, not the watered down version we have/will have, a better education that they didn't directly pay for, a more generous welfare system than what we will be left with and we're supposed to support them?

I say a one way ticket to Switzerland is in order with a voucher for Dignitas thrown in. After all it's the cheaper option and we can't afford to keep them all. People live too long these days anyway.

-rep it clearly does?

This is how: high quality teachers due to tuition fees (surely???). Many universities can now compete on a level and say we all have *high quality* teachers, come here? Another university could say *no, we have high teachers, come here* etc... So hopefully you understand it encourages competition

They need to be approved by OFFA (office for fair access), which as long as the universities meet the criteria put down by OFFA (which we haven't heard much of yet, but it doesn't seem too much from what we have heard) then they will be allowed to charge the full £9k. The government can't stop universities charging the fee just because they don't want them to charge that.

would have been really nice if you had posted the fees for international students as welll lol

If universities are going to charge for fee's, they should charge what it actually costs. If I want to go on holiday to France and get charged the same as it would cost to travel to Australia because, "well, we cant have holidays to Australia going through the roof now can we", I would be a tad upset.

But at the same time a lot of science degrees are more necessary to society than arts degrees. For example it costs £250000 to take a single doctor through medical school. Without doctors the whole country would be screwed. If you tried to charge medical students the full cost of their course, which would be £50000 a year, do you seriously think we'd have enough doctors to keep the country on it's feet? No. Because nobody is going to be able to afford £250000 of debt. Apart from a tiny proportion of loaded people who can pay it straight out of their bank account, which would not be enough people. So in order for everybody to be able to survive, and for the entire health system to not crumble, some of the cost of a medical degree is spread out a bit over other degrees that cost much less. It works in everyones benefit in the long run.

But at the same time a lot of science degrees are more necessary to society than arts degrees. For example it costs £250000 to take a single doctor through medical school. Without doctors the whole country would be screwed. If you tried to charge medical students the full cost of their course, which would be £50000 a year, do you seriously think we'd have enough doctors to keep the country on it's feet? No. Because nobody is going to be able to afford £250000 of debt. Apart from a tiny proportion of loaded people who can pay it straight out of their bank account, which would not be enough people. So in order for everybody to be able to survive, and for the entire health system to not crumble, some of the cost of a medical degree is spread out a bit over other degrees that cost much less. It works in everyones benefit in the long run.

Why...?

The naivety of the government astounds me. Politicians keep saying how shocked they are at the fees proposed by unis and that the whole policy is now unfeasable. What did they expect? If you massively cut funding and then say you can charge up to £9000, the unis are gonna charge £9000.

*sighs*
i intended this thread to literally be a full list of univeristy tution fees
ah well

and my previous post may have been badly worded - of course my siblings still have the 'choice' to still go to university but they will be a lot worse of for it than i will

I love how this system was supposed to encourage competition. Ha.