Why don't students just go for the degrees that don't charge?
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Not everyone suits a nurses outfit except this dog..
But the reality is..some people can't pull it off
But the reality is..some people can't pull it off
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Original post by Subcutaneous
Not everyone suits a nurses outfit except this dog..
But the reality is..some people can't pull it off
But the reality is..some people can't pull it off
Actually I think the dog would would look much better as a paramedic
Original post by Ich Dien
Because if you want to be an Areonatical Engineer for example, theres no cheap degree available. Unless you self teach somehow.
Degree level industry/proffessions needs relevent qualifcations...
Its not like the degree is just filler, you actually learn **** I assume.
Thats even more illogical.
If you dont know what you want, why spend X thousands of pounds on a very specialized degree?
Uni is not like school. You dont have to go, and you can go at any time in your life.
And you certainly will not end up with a pass mark if your there purely out of confusion.
so, thats the measure for degrees? how much time you have lounge about?
You could apply for the job, but you would be rejected pre-interview because there are 4-10 other applicants who actually went out and got the one correct Degree for the job.
You couldnt deal with a delicate situation, such as taking a child into social care if your only trained in how to measure somebodies blood pressure. Thats just a ridiculous statement. If you could do that, then why isint there one General Studies Degree that teaches us everything and is applicable to all careers?
Errr, no. You said it. We are just stunned at your lack of it.
Thats why so many of us are unemployed?
Key words in bold. You need to learn somthing about the world as it! you just assume life is that easy because its fair. You NEED to get your head straight.
Im sorry, you are painfully Naive, and its only gonna cost you when you find out how much **** us 'Young People' are wading through in the job market.
(WOW I got in early on one of these for a change! Im gonna edit in some more troll! and Im gonna keep editing the troll cos THE WHOLE WORLD can see it now! Muahahaha.)
Degree level industry/proffessions needs relevent qualifcations...
Its not like the degree is just filler, you actually learn **** I assume.
Thats even more illogical.
If you dont know what you want, why spend X thousands of pounds on a very specialized degree?
Uni is not like school. You dont have to go, and you can go at any time in your life.
And you certainly will not end up with a pass mark if your there purely out of confusion.
so, thats the measure for degrees? how much time you have lounge about?
You could apply for the job, but you would be rejected pre-interview because there are 4-10 other applicants who actually went out and got the one correct Degree for the job.
You couldnt deal with a delicate situation, such as taking a child into social care if your only trained in how to measure somebodies blood pressure. Thats just a ridiculous statement. If you could do that, then why isint there one General Studies Degree that teaches us everything and is applicable to all careers?
Errr, no. You said it. We are just stunned at your lack of it.
Thats why so many of us are unemployed?
Key words in bold. You need to learn somthing about the world as it! you just assume life is that easy because its fair. You NEED to get your head straight.
Im sorry, you are painfully Naive, and its only gonna cost you when you find out how much **** us 'Young People' are wading through in the job market.
(WOW I got in early on one of these for a change! Im gonna edit in some more troll! and Im gonna keep editing the troll cos THE WHOLE WORLD can see it now! Muahahaha.)
Actually reading that Id say YOU are the naive one! Where are you spending x thousands of pounds on a specialised degree, THEY pay you!. Nurses are trained in more than taking blood pressure believe it or not and would be very capable of taking a child in social care lol, nurses are trained in and have experience of interprofessional working. I can't believe that you think that a nursing qualification would not help in gaining employment in other healthcare areas. Another example is when I qualify I could do a masters degree in social work and so could someone who had an health and social care degree except they would owe what.. £27 000.
Original post by alio~
Actually reading that Id say YOU are the naive one! Where are you spending x thousands of pounds on a specialised degree, THEY pay you!. Nurses are trained in more than taking blood pressure believe it or not and would be very capable of taking a child in social care lol, nurses are trained in and have experience of interprofessional working. I can't believe that you think that a nursing qualification would not help in gaining employment in other healthcare areas. Another example is when I qualify I could do a masters degree in social work and so could someone who had an health and social care degree except they would owe what.. £27 000.
adj.
1. Lacking worldly experience and understanding, especially:
a. Simple and guileless; artless: a child with a naive charm.
b. Unsuspecting or credulous: "Students, often bright but naive, bet and loses ubstantial sums of money on sporting events" (Tim Layden).
2. Showing or characterized by a lack of sophistication and critical judgment: "this extravagance of metaphors, with its naive bombast" (H.L. Mencken).
3.
a. Not previously subjected to experiments: testing naive mice.
b. Not having previously taken or received a particular drug: persons naive to marijuana.
n.
One who is artless, credulous, or uncritical.]
Dont use words you dont understand
My Sister did a Nursing Degree. the pay they give you is less than minimum wage, and they work you overtime. On placements your basically slave labour. Its a long and hard road, she worked very hard while raising 2 young kids to get to the light at the end; the debt.
I dont know what imaginary uni you go to. But your gonna have a very sore ass when you fall off that cloud.
You think everything is gonna fall into place for you? fine.
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Original post by Ich Dien
My Sister did a Nursing Degree. the pay they give you is less than minimum wage, and they work you overtime. On placements your basically slave labour. Its a long and hard road.
I dont know what imaginary uni you go to. But your gonna have a very sore ass when you fall off that cloud.
I dont know what imaginary uni you go to. But your gonna have a very sore ass when you fall off that cloud.
We are only on placement 50% (the bursary is £6500 a year so that works out about right) of the time we are learning, just helping out in the process. Ive never been used as slave labour nor worked overtime. In fact most of the time they let students go early I did 2 weeks of night shifts (supposed to be 3 nights a week 9 - 7:30) and they let us go at 11pm every night. I don't know what cloud your sisters on Im guessing she does general nursing.
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Surely nursing is fairly competitive (as are most courses these days) so there are only going to be so many places. You'll just make it harder for the people who actually do want to be nurses and then BOOM, we've got a huge shortage of nurses.
Original post by alio~
I don't know what cloud your sisters on Im guessing she does general nursing.
Stop using my words, your just making yourself look more stupid every time.
Shes not on a cloud. Shes tucked up in bed in the house she bought 12 years ago, with her degree (not some ****ty nursing diploma) and a job to go in the morning.
You think everything is gonna fall into place for you? fine.
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Original post by Jellybean91
Surely nursing is fairly competitive (as are most courses these days) so there are only going to be so many places. You'll just make it harder for the people who actually do want to be nurses and then BOOM, we've got a huge shortage of nurses.
I know you are right but that wasn't my point. Im trying to get through to someone that nurses have way more experience than taking someones blood pressure and that their skills increase their employability and are valuble for other jobs within the healthcare area lol.
Original post by alio~
I know you are right but that wasn't my point. Im trying to get through to someone that nurses have way more experience than taking someones blood pressure and that their skills increase their employability and are valuble for other jobs within the healthcare area lol.
I dont doubt that. One of my flatmates last year dropped out of it cos it really wasnt for her. So my point is that unless nursing is something you reeeally want to do, you will really struggle! You need that passion or you could easily fail, and that would be an even bigger waste of money than taking the new fees.
Original post by Busby_Babe
If nursing opens doors in the archaeological world then sign me up.
Also I'm male. No offence to male nurses but yeah not gonna happen.
Also I'm male. No offence to male nurses but yeah not gonna happen.
I know your name is in reference to Man Utd but
Original post by Ich Dien
£12,000 is about right for a Solider, not a medical proffesional.
Shes not on a cloud. Shes tucked up in bed in the house she bought 12 years ago, with her degree (not some ****ty nursing diploma) and a job to go in the morning.
Shes not on a cloud. Shes tucked up in bed in the house she bought 12 years ago, with her degree (not some ****ty nursing diploma) and a job to go in the morning.
You are not a medical professional until you qualify. So is she not a nurse then? Sounds like she found it hard to cope on placements tell her to do mental health nursing lol.
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Original post by alio~
I know you are right but that wasn't my point.
Your point was why are people so stoopid for doing silly expensive degrees when they could just do a vocational course in a completely different field at half the cost with a bursary, (because theres always an alternative available in %100 of cases, FACT)
Original post by alio~
Im trying to get through to someone that nurses have way more experience than taking someones blood pressure
Thats an example of the wide area of Nursing Work, which you are trained to do.
You have experience in Nursing. Thats why the degree is called Nursing and thats why you become a Nurse with it.
No hospital is gonna take you as an orthopedic surgeon or a physiatrist because you did a nursing degree. (thats how ovbiously foolish you sound to other people.)
Original post by alio~
You are not a medical professional until you qualify. So is she not a nurse then? Sounds like she found it hard to cope on placements tell her to do mental health nursing lol.
No, thats from the £125 sum you told us you are getting. Times by 52, then by 2. (LOL because everything you say is so ovbiously infallible.. lol)
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Original post by Jellybean91
I dont doubt that. One of my flatmates last year dropped out of it cos it really wasnt for her. So my point is that unless nursing is something you reeeally want to do, you will really struggle! You need that passion or you could easily fail, and that would be an even bigger waste of money than taking the new fees.
Thats what I said, but aparently Im Naive for being critical and its REALLY EASY! its only two days a week, and its not only free, but the NHS pays you money. And theres a trip to Disney Land at the end.
Actually OP, I feel slightly sick that thousands of ready trained soliders, promised a career and a pension by the state are loosing their jobs so you can get my tax money, and sit here loling at me with your piss poor excuse for logic.
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Original post by Ich Dien
I know you are right but that wasn't my point.
Your point was why are people so stoopid for doing silly expensive degress when they could just do a vocational course in a completely different field at half the cost with a bursary, (because theres always an alternative available in %100 of cases, FACT)
Thats an example of the wide area of Nursing Work, which you are trained to do.
You have experience in Nursing. Thats why the degree is called Nursing and thats why you become a Nurse with it.
No hospital is gonna take you as an orthopedic surgeon or a physiatrist because you did a nursing degree. (thats how ovbiously foolish you sound to other people.)
No, thats from the £125 sum you told us you are getting. Times by 52, then by 2. (LOL because everying you say is so ovbiously infallible.. lol)
If you want to be a psychiatrist you do medicine, I never said that a nursing degree gets you into psychiatry ... thats you twisting it. However if a nurse changed their mind and wanted to be a psychiatrist im sure they would be just as likely/if not more to be accepted onto the course than someone who has done a £27000 degree in health and social care because they didnt know what they wanted to do.
Im not saying that a nurse can go straight into psychiatry..LOL.
Original post by alio~
Im not saying that a nurse can go straight into psychiatry..LOL.
With the language you use and the consideration you put towards it I would think it would be possible for nurses to fly to the moon.
You seem to think that nurses are armed to deal with all manner of potential psychological issues, such as social care. LOL
Original post by Ich Dien
Thats what I said, but aparently Im Naive for being critical and its REALLY EASY! its only two days a week, and its not only free, but the NHS pays you money. And theres a trip to Disney Land at the end.
Actually OP, I feel slightly sick that thousands of ready trained soliders, promised a career and a pension by the state are loosing their jobs so you can get my tax money, and sit here loling at me with your piss poor excuse for logic.
Actually OP, I feel slightly sick that thousands of ready trained soliders, promised a career and a pension by the state are loosing their jobs so you can get my tax money, and sit here loling at me with your piss poor excuse for logic.
Its great isn't it lol? All I said was that some people might as well do nursing rather than pay £9 000 a year for some health and social care degree if they are not sure what they want to do. I have men people on the wards who have studied degrees like psychology or health and social care and have clamied that it didn't get them anywhere. My 'logic' is not just comming from me but from people who have wasted (in their words) thousands on studying and then ended up doing nursing anyway. Then you start to put words in my mouth and claim that nursing skills cannot be valuable for other jobs.
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Original post by Ich Dien
With the language you use and the consideration you put towards it I would think it would be possible for nurses to fly to the moon.
You seem to think that nurses are armed to deal with all manner of potential psychological issues, such as social care. LOL
You seem to think that nurses are armed to deal with all manner of potential psychological issues, such as social care. LOL
No I don't, but a lot of the skills will overlap and be useful (as knowledge from an expensive health and social degree would) if you wanted to apply for jobs and courses in that area. You are blowing what I say way out of proportion. Every job has its own skills but skills overlap.
Original post by alio~
be very capable of taking a child in social care lol
You, with your nursing degree saying you would be very capable of doing another specialized job
Think about your words prepost and I would have nothing to blow out of all proportion, even If I was not just recounting exactly what you were saying not an hour ago..
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Original post by Ich Dien
You, with your nursing degree saying you would be very capable of doing another specialized job
Think about your words prepost and I would have nothing to blow out of all proportion, even If I was not just recounting exactly what you were saying not an hour ago..
Think about your words prepost and I would have nothing to blow out of all proportion, even If I was not just recounting exactly what you were saying not an hour ago..
Nurses in the child and adolescent mental health area work with children who are in social care.. Sorry if I don't know what you meant.
well either Ive not communicated what I meant very well or you are going way over the top.. For one thing I never said that a nurse can go straight into psychiatry! All Im trying to say is that a nurse can be employable (because of their skills) for other jobs in healthcare. Obviously they would have to take courses to work in the area but their nursing skills and clinical experience would help in getting them into the job.
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Original post by Jellybean91
Surely nursing is fairly competitive (as are most courses these days) so there are only going to be so many places. You'll just make it harder for the people who actually do want to be nurses and then BOOM, we've got a huge shortage of nurses.
Nail on head.
As someone who will soon be starting their degree in Adult Nursing I find it quite shocking that someone who is apparently undertaking a Mental Health Nursing degree (an often very over-subscribed branch of nursing to apply for) would suggest that perhaps other people might use nursing as some sort of way to avoid paying fees and get some 'free money' thrown in also.
Universities are already struggling to sort the wheat from the chaff with regards those they offer nursing places and some universities at the moment have a gobsmacking amount of applications (Derby for instance had 800 applications for Adult Nursing with 30 places available). What definately is not needed are loads of folk who don't really have an interest in becoming nurses attempting to misuse the process to get a free ride and then hop off at the end into an 'allied' profession. This is already a problem within the system and is one of the main reasons for high drop out rate of Sept starters in Jan/Feb, when that first placement kicks in and the reality of the job bites, hard.
Nursing is a vocation, not a job you enter on a whim and any places at university should (and are supposed to) go to those that have the desire to make it their career.
As someone said earlier, I'm not sure which university the OP is apparently at but all the nursing students I know (and I know quite a few living in Nottingham, indeed the house next door to me has three student nurses living in it) work their backsides off on placements. They also spend nigh on every waking hour they are not on their placement either researching for their assignments or keeping on top of their reflective writing and portfolios, remembering of course that lapses in quality with regards either of the last two could jeopardise registration and therefore prevent the student from being able to enter professional practice.
Once again, I can't believe that anyone who is currently undertaking a nursing degree or diploma would be so flipant about either abuse of a system that they are currently in nor likely to say that the course is easy when the increasingly technical nature of the job means it very much isn't easy.
The 'full time' nature of the course, long hours, intense study and the chance of earning a fair wage but not outstanding, unless one of the few who can get to the top of the tree, is the reason why the NHS awards bursaries, to provide incentive to enter training and to assist you through three years of university. Unlike students on many other courses there is, due to the demands of the course, little to no opputunity to take up part-time employment to help with finances and most students who decide to enter into nursing come from lower income families than many of their university peers, thus the prospect of mummy and daddy helping them through uni may not be an option.
The comment "nursing students are not like other students" (or derivatives of) is a comment I have heard countless times during my application process at open days etc. When asked for some expansion on the comment its usually followed up with either "well don't worry about the societies on offer, you won't have time" or "well as soon as you can get out of halls and find digs well away fro the rest, you'll need some peace and quiet". I guess this explains why I have student nurses living next door, about three miles away from the Lenton area where all the other UofN students normally find digs.
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