For all you anti gun hoplophobes on here

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I should also add that in the last few years, the military no longer gives soldiers ammunition for their military rifles (popular referendum backed this move). You can only buy it and then use it up on the same day at the shooting range.

I don't buy this, even here you can keep your shotgun and rifle ammo at home

Reply 361

Planto

Original post by Hardballer

guns haven't killed anybody, only people are capable of that

Yeah, you're right. **** it, let's give everyone access to nukes.

Reply 362

L-J-B

Original post by Hardballer

I don't buy this, even here you can keep your shotgun and rifle ammo at home

It sounds perfectly reasonable however i have no idea if this is true or not- it seems a little irrelevant. Having said this why would you assume it is unreasonable based on what WE can and cannot do? I believe the OP you quote has gone to considerable effort to show that you cannot infact make a valid comparison!

Reply 363

Dan3va

compare our gun crime per capita to the americans.

its far lower

im getting sick of all of there threads saying we need to protect ourselfs, we need guns bull****

how would you prevent a shooting like that

you are saying "I saw someone shout, i best shoot him before he shoots me"

Reply 364

Hardballer

Original post by Planto

Yeah, you're right. **** it, let's give everyone access to nukes.

are you retarded? we're talking about weapons you can defend yourself with personally? you gonna nuke a mugger asking for your cash?

Reply 365

Good bloke

Original post by Hardballer

I don't buy this, even here you can keep your shotgun and rifle ammo at home

It is against the rules on TSR to write in a foreign language without a translation so, to help you out, I will supply one for this:

Hm, your facts seem not to help my case, which has used the Swiss as an example of a high gun ownership society with little gun crime.

It appears the Swiss don't allow their gun owners to keep ammunition. How inconvenient for those that thought they have a low gun accident rate, and how inconvenient for those that want to justify ownership on the grounds of seld defence.

Perhaps we should change our gun laws, and eliminate all ammunition in the home.

Reply 366

Hardballer

Original post by Dan3va

oh so I can't mention switzerland but you guys can mention America every other ****ing post, yes free men shouldn't have to ask to bear arms, else they are slaves, thats the point im trying to make

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 367

Hardballer

Original post by Good bloke

It is against the rules on TSR to write in a foreign language without a translation so, to help you out, I will supply one for this:

It appears the Swiss don't allow their gun owners to keep ammunition. How inconvenient for those that thought they have a low gun accident rate, and how inconvenient for those that want to justify ownership on the grounds of seld defence.

Perhaps we should change our gun laws, and eliminate all ammunition in the home.

I keep my shotgun ammo at home and I haven't had any accidents, you're just assuming everyones a moron who can't even cross the road without accidently jumping into a bus windscreen. Every firearm owner in this country keeps their ammo at home, is that plain enough english for you good sir? you need help interpreting that? theres 800,000 firearms owners in this country all with their ammo at home. How many accidents you hear of?

Reply 368

Good bloke

Original post by Hardballer

free men shouldn't have to ask to bear arms, else they are slaves, thats the point im trying to make

Yet Europe is peopled with those who consider themselves free, and few of them have the right to carry loaded weapons in the streets of Europe, not even the Swiss. I think you are the one with the problem.

Reply 369

Vanbrugh

Original post by Hardballer

I don't buy this, even here you can keep your shotgun and rifle ammo at home

Tranditionally the Swiss army gave you tins of ammunition for your rifle when you left military service. This is no longer done.

*Edit* Found an article: http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/Specials/Gun_debate/Background/Archives/Soldiers_can_keep_guns_at_home_but_not_ammo.html?cid=970614

You can keep ammunition for other non-military weapons at home. However, as said, these weapons are in a minority.

I am swiss and keep my service rifle at home without any ammo.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 370

Hardballer

Original post by Good bloke

well the czech's have the right to coneal carry in their country, actually thats one country I haven't mentioned much. Czech republic has extremely liberal gun laws yet the murder rate there is quite low as well. Conceal carry a handgun is permitted and shotguns and low calibre rifles don't require registration. Low capacity shotguns don't require registration either, same here before 1968, over the counter item and yet back then gun crime was lower as well :rolleyes:

Reply 371

Hardballer

Original post by Vanbrugh

Tranditionally the Swiss army gave you tins of ammunition for your rifle when you left military service. This is no longer done.

You can keep ammunition for other non-military weapons at home. However, as said, these weapons are in a minority.

I am swiss and keep my service rifle at home without any ammo.

well it doesn't make sense as the point of the militia is to be able to mobilise a large army within 24 hours and without ammo for your weapons what are you going to do? I know the swiss leftist parties have been trying to clamp down on freedoms lately but still

Reply 372

L-J-B

Original post by Hardballer

I keep my shotgun ammo at home and I haven't had any accidents

So what exactly is this thread trying to prove. Yes, it is legal to own a firearm given you follow the correct procedure. The fac is just a way to ensure general safety- That it is safely stored, and to screen anyone who may pose a risk. If you have committed a crime which exempts you from owning a gun and you REALLY enjoy it as a sport, join a gun club and use the club guns.

Reply 373

Hardballer

Original post by L-J-B

Yes but we need a constitutional right to bear arms, and also people need a way to defend themselves on the street, even with just a taser or cs spray

Reply 374

Good bloke

Original post by Hardballer

Yes but we need a constitutional right to bear arms,

I don't think many agree with you. Most of us would rather have a constitutional right to come nowhere near anyone with a weapon.

Reply 375

Hardballer

Original post by Good bloke

I don't think many agree with you. Most of us would rather have a constitutional right to come nowhere near anyone with a weapon.

you don't have that right, criminals don't obey the laws

Reply 376

L-J-B

We have had a right to bear arms. Its just been brought up to date to stop every idiot bearing arms, or from people getting guns for no good reason. I think you read too many tabloids if you truly believe people 'on da streeeeet' need guns for protection. Anyone involved in anything that requires a gun for protection isnt going to worry about licensing.

How would you (OP specifically) control the right to bear arms. What age limit would you give it? What level of mental state would be required. How about people who have in the past commited crimes. Would some ex-cons be able to but not others? This isnt rhetorical as such, im genuinely interested what youd do different...