Netherlands set to ban halal/kosher slaughter without stunning

Ever seen a goat tied up then having its throat cut? Never heard an animal make such cries.

So the level of sound is related to the level of pain?
I don't think so. The moment an animal has an electric bolt shock to the head, must be very painful. Just because the animal doesn't scream, doesn't mean it's not in pain.

I've not seen it the way you describe anyway. That's not how it normally happens.

So the level of sound is related to the level of pain?
I don't think so. The moment an animal has an electric bolt shock to the head, must be very painful. Just because the animal doesn't scream, doesn't mean it's not in pain.

I've not seen it the way you describe anyway. That's not how it normally happens.

As someone has said, I hope the people campaigning for this are all vegetarians, rather then meat eaters aiming to feel better about themselves as they chomp into a little lamb's leg that was most likely having a whale of a time in the fields before being slaughtered so it could end up on their plates.

Regardless of whether you stun them, or slit their throats, at the end of the day you're killing the animals and I imagine causing them some degree of pain. Unless studies can conclusively show that the kosher way of killing is far more painful for the animals, this is a loads of codswallop.

On the plus side, Jews and Muslims agreeing. Could be the start of something beautiful :P

Just going by my experience. This was in Egypt.

As someone has said, I hope the people campaigning for this are all vegetarians, rather then meat eaters aiming to feel better about themselves as they chomp into a little lamb's leg that was most likely having a whale of a time in the fields before being slaughtered so it could end up on their plates.

Regardless of whether you stun them, or slit their throats, at the end of the day you're killing the animals and I imagine causing them some degree of pain. Unless studies can conclusively show that the kosher way of killing is far more painful for the animals, this is a loads of codswallop.

On the plus side, Jews and Muslims agreeing. Could be the start of something beautiful :P

Actually, many studies have been done on this, and that's what most of them conclude.

This law is already in place in the UK. There is only a exception made for meat which is sold to only the Muslim/Jewish communities and not the wider population, i.e. in independent butchers.

You can buy meat marked Halal in my local Tesco in London. So either Tesco are incorrectly marking it Halal, or you are mistaken.

You get Halal meat that has been stunned also and all supermarkets must use meat which has been stunned first, including Tesco.

Actually, many studies have been done on this, and that's what most of them conclude.

Proof?

The electric shock renders it instantly brain-dead. There's no brain activity, so no pain, no idea what's going on. It's in the best interest of the animal to do this.

You can buy meat marked Halal in my local Tesco in London. So either Tesco are incorrectly marking it Halal, or you are mistaken.

Either way, I don't see why we should have one law for religious communities and another law for everyone else. Good on the Dutch.

I have yet to see evidence that stunning is far more human than the Kosher or Halal way. Is it the case of "Muslim" in the title, so anything against them must be a good thing? sound like wee bit of racism to me.

hmmm. Perhaps for the first time, the Netherlands have managed to unite Muslims and Jews together. Something which the UN has failed to do for decades.

Not surprised thousands of Muslims and Jews have had to flee from the Netherlands in recent times. Perhaps the Netherlands, have provided an opportunity of a beautiful relationship?

If you define Halal as "meat from animals that have been slaughtered in the prescribed way according to the shariah" than surely stunning the animal automatically means the meat is not strictly Halal?

Ever seen a goat tied up then having its throat cut? Never heard an animal make such cries.

I'm against this.

So the actual stun bolt to the head is harmless? What a load of nonsense. "No but it's less painful than the throat being cut." Evidence please?

If you define Halal as "meat from animals that have been slaughtered in the prescribed way according to the shariah" than surely stunning the animal automatically means the meat is not strictly Halal?