What do you think should be done about disruptive students in lessons?
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The ones that tend to piss me off the most are the students with the potential to excel at their subjects. I sometimes shout at some of my friends in my class and I have now analysed and found out that it's the ones that are not going to university or the ones going to much lower ranked universities that disrupt classes.
Im sure some of us sometimes will feel like punching them but at the end of the day, that's not the way to solve such an issue.
Some generally f**k about in classrooms and when it comes to exam period and getting results back, they achieve top grades.
However, I do wish that the process of streaming could be introduced at 6th form/college as this will make it easier for the motivated students to work according to their potential while the less able or sometimes disruptive students will be able to work at their pace.
Im sure some of us sometimes will feel like punching them but at the end of the day, that's not the way to solve such an issue.
Some generally f**k about in classrooms and when it comes to exam period and getting results back, they achieve top grades.
However, I do wish that the process of streaming could be introduced at 6th form/college as this will make it easier for the motivated students to work according to their potential while the less able or sometimes disruptive students will be able to work at their pace.
I think the persons situation really needs to be taken into account.
If they are going through a lot at home for example, or are being bullied or whatever, then they deserve to be given a second chance IMO. Stress and the inability to cope does strange things to people.
However, if they refuse to take that second chance, or clearly just do not give a ****, then they should be expelled / sent to a PRU.
Also, I agreed with the "streaming" or "setting" of pupils, although not nesesarily giving the lower classes the crap teachers.
Well quite often they can't and don't
While that is true for some, it certainly is not true for all.
Rubbish.
If you give them the learning and emotional support some of them need, then some of them do change.
If they are going through a lot at home for example, or are being bullied or whatever, then they deserve to be given a second chance IMO. Stress and the inability to cope does strange things to people.
However, if they refuse to take that second chance, or clearly just do not give a ****, then they should be expelled / sent to a PRU.
Also, I agreed with the "streaming" or "setting" of pupils, although not nesesarily giving the lower classes the crap teachers.
Original post by limetang
Most teachers SHOULD be able to spot ADHD and Autism etc.
Well quite often they can't and don't
Original post by d4nny
These disruptive pupils will end up in prison, on benefits or contributing so little to the economy in taxes that it is by no means worth it.
While that is true for some, it certainly is not true for all.
Original post by d4nny
Also, disruptive kids don't change.
Rubbish.
If you give them the learning and emotional support some of them need, then some of them do change.
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Original post by arabcnesbit
Nice try. No I wouldn't. Right to healthcare would also mean forced taxation, hence an abuse of someone else's property rights.
Nice try. No I wouldn't. Right to healthcare would also mean forced taxation, hence an abuse of someone else's property rights.Okay. Well I believe that healthcare, education etc. are rights too because for me the a right to life is more than a beating heart and a functioning brain. I can see that we disagree.
Original post by d4nny
How ignorant! Have you ever even been to Africa or somewhere like that in the developing world? You are so lucky to be born into a country that has one of the best education systems in the world.
I have been to Africa. However I have not been to all 53 countries inside the African continent. In fact only 1. An irrelevance anyway. Luck has nothing to with it. There isn't some spermosphere rotating around the planet shooting down ejaculate randomly into fertile women. I was either not going to be born or be born in this country.
I'm sure in my ignorance I ignored the fact many African nations signed up to these rights. So therefore every member of that nation has a right to education. Whether or not they are able to doesn't remove this . I suppose I did misspeak. Privilege and right are not mutually exclusive terms. So it is true in a sense that I am not privileged enough to be able to afford a BMW, I still have the right to buy one. The term privilege can get tricky because whilst an Ethiopian may have the privilege of education they may not be privileged enough to have anything with which to educate themselves.
Original post by Reml
Expulsion - no need to educate people who don't want to be, its a waste of time and is detrimental to others learning
So when they've got no qualifications and are on JSA, all the hard working people have to support them?
This is controversial, but I would suggest bringing back corporal punishment.
Original post by im so academic
Well you should tbh.
Again, I'm not disagreeing with you-but this isn't an ideal world and people don't.
I'm in 2 minds for this. I mean, I'm thinking back to me in secondary school and I was a disruptive, loud mouthed bitch and by the end of year 9, I had several teachers of optional subjects telling me they didn't want me to continue with their subject :/ Yet, I turned it around in year 10, got back on the right track, started working hard and caring about my work and now I'm at uni. I think if the educational system had of expelled me and told me I wasn't welcome in school any longer, or put me in some school aimed at training pupils for the working world, I wouldn't be where I am now - and that's a shame.
I realise that not every pupil will be like me, and a lot will not turn it around and will just drop out. But then, we can't ruin the futures of those who might turn it around at the last minute. They are just at school. I think it's different if we're talking about A-level students, but students who are still in compulsory education should be punished as they are doing now. In compulsory education, the majority of us are immature, do stupid stuff and stuff now as adults we facepalm ourselves for.
My brother is now a problem at secondary school, and I can see what makes him tick. Yelling at him, giving him detention etc. does not work. This just makes him angrier and does not make the teacher's job any easier or make him any less disruptive. And we've told the school how to deal with him; positive reinforcement. Yet the school believes that their failing technique works. I am a strong believer of positive reinforcement, and I think there should be more time and effort spent into these people trying to figure out what it is that they want. Yes, the good people may deem this unfair because they are behaving themselves and more money is going into the disruptive ones. But these people are already getting full benifit from the school, and their education will only improve from the improvements to the "naughty" students.
I realise that not every pupil will be like me, and a lot will not turn it around and will just drop out. But then, we can't ruin the futures of those who might turn it around at the last minute. They are just at school. I think it's different if we're talking about A-level students, but students who are still in compulsory education should be punished as they are doing now. In compulsory education, the majority of us are immature, do stupid stuff and stuff now as adults we facepalm ourselves for.
My brother is now a problem at secondary school, and I can see what makes him tick. Yelling at him, giving him detention etc. does not work. This just makes him angrier and does not make the teacher's job any easier or make him any less disruptive. And we've told the school how to deal with him; positive reinforcement. Yet the school believes that their failing technique works. I am a strong believer of positive reinforcement, and I think there should be more time and effort spent into these people trying to figure out what it is that they want. Yes, the good people may deem this unfair because they are behaving themselves and more money is going into the disruptive ones. But these people are already getting full benifit from the school, and their education will only improve from the improvements to the "naughty" students.
Original post by SophiaKeuning
Lovely. But, let's put it this way; TSR isn't exactly the most exiting, progressive and open minded places is it?
So er..really, this comment means nothing.
Howeverrr, please say what was inane about it? OP is suggesting that schools should further tighten up on disruptive kids, when they already take harsh action on those who misbehave, leaving the only nuisances left to be those who just chat and sometimes piss about, but still get the grades. I think it would be ridiculous to expel them, because often they do take education seriously but just approach it in a different way. My school is full of them, people in all my classes talk away, the teachers included. Yet they still do well, I was actually pretty surprised. And I stick to my point that you lot need to loosen up and realize that you can't expect everyone to be as intensely education orientated as you. Also, you need to learn that in the real world colleges aren't going to act in the way you deem appropriate.
So er..really, this comment means nothing.
Howeverrr, please say what was inane about it? OP is suggesting that schools should further tighten up on disruptive kids, when they already take harsh action on those who misbehave, leaving the only nuisances left to be those who just chat and sometimes piss about, but still get the grades. I think it would be ridiculous to expel them, because often they do take education seriously but just approach it in a different way. My school is full of them, people in all my classes talk away, the teachers included. Yet they still do well, I was actually pretty surprised. And I stick to my point that you lot need to loosen up and realize that you can't expect everyone to be as intensely education orientated as you. Also, you need to learn that in the real world colleges aren't going to act in the way you deem appropriate.
Ok, "You are going to have to learn to deal with people." This has nothing to do with what the OP is proposing. What are you suggesting here? That the OP should deal with these students himself? That this issue is brought on by contempt for otheres..? Elaborate.
What would you say to the accusation that although these students may get the grades, others who are disrupted do not?
Depends what we mean by "disrupting lessons"
Why do you all automatically assume disruptive children are poor and stupid? A lot of children are disruptive because they are ahead of everyone else and become bored what do you do with those kids?
Original post by Busby_Babe
Why do you all automatically assume disruptive children are poor and stupid? A lot of children are disruptive because they are ahead of everyone else and become bored what do you do with those kids?
This. At my primary school, I had done most of the year six work by year four. Therefore, for two years I didn't do homework, lazed around and was quite disruptive.
Not saying I was right-but that your point is completely valid. I'm sure that there are lots like this.
Original post by limetang
Original post by limetang
I was just wondering what your opinions are on this issue, because I'm sure most of us have experienced students who plain and simple aren't interested in learning and so stop everyone else from learning. I mean personally I think if someone doesnt want to learn and has demonstrated this fact they should be taken out of education as they're a detriment to people who want to learn. Although I do see that there may be some issues with this.
Anyway I was wondering what other students opinions were.
Anyway I was wondering what other students opinions were.
All the teacher should do is throw them out of the class; I don't see why people don't just do that anyway. In universities you don't really have this problem; you might with freshman classes but by sophomore years (depending on your major) the idiots and/or people who aren't serious are weeded out.
With the public education system it's obviously a little different and those people "have" to be there, no matter how much we want them to leave. I would like for them to be separated in separate classes where they wouldn't bother the people that are making something of their life.
Original post by d4nny
What they need to do is stream them, right from Year 8 (people like this never change) into their own form and should be taught seperately in every subject.
this is pretty much what it was like the school i went to.
noone really kicked up much of a fuss in any of my classes, but the lower set there were only the odd few who wanted to learn who complained and got put in a different class.
there was "isolation" for people who were really bad ( a table and chair set up in this tiny room above the staff room), we're talking throwing chairs that kind of stuff its the step before and after that thing which i cant remember the name of :| where your not allowed into school for a while, a week or few days or something...(my diss is eating my brain
) x
Original post by Lazylisa
I think it depends on the age group really.
I know the younger years for example Year 1....a simple threat to remove their break from them or their lunch is enough to make them quieten down and listen. If they're persistent in being disruptive them sending them to another class normally does the trick because they come back realising it's best to learn with their class rather than sit at the back of a strange one isolated!
I know the younger years for example Year 1....a simple threat to remove their break from them or their lunch is enough to make them quieten down and listen. If they're persistent in being disruptive them sending them to another class normally does the trick because they come back realising it's best to learn with their class rather than sit at the back of a strange one isolated!
Yeah i agree.
With older kids (secondary school age), detentions work for some, but for others they dont- the kids just go to the detention then carry on being naughty again. They should have some sort of punishment in front of the class, it may be a bit embarrassing but at least they wont do it again.
My English teacher used to throw things at them (pens, WB markers etc). Worked fairly well, i'd say...
I wonder if anyone here has any comprehension of what it's like to teach badly behaved kids. I know I don't but I know two brilliant teachers whom have told me about it. On the outside they may be strong but on the inside it's as tough as hell when you're dealing with trouble makers. Not even the best teachers can help them most of the time.
So what do you do? Throw them out; expel them? Yeah, because that always works right..
So what do you do? Throw them out; expel them? Yeah, because that always works right..
^thats like me in aforesaid English class. Then I just shamed them all by taking out the Top in NZ place for Language... mwahahahha
Line up all the disruptive chavs put them in a cage and let them bang eachother
BUT DON'T LET THEM OUT! EVER!
BUT DON'T LET THEM OUT! EVER!
There were lots of disruptive kids at my school. I don't care if they fail at life themselves, but my GCSE education was severely hindered because of people who couldn't be quiet. The teachers were constantly stopping the lesson to talk to the class, it never worked. Some people do not want to learn no matter what, it's had a knock on effect to this day in many respects... like I say when it starts to hinder me then I object.
What can be done though? Unfortunately people in the UK are entitled to , nay, it's compulsory, that they attend school under the age of 16. Comprehensive schools are rampant with pupils who don't want to learn... that's If I had the money I would send my kids to a public school even though it goes against my principles. Sigh. I feel sorry for teachers.
What can be done though? Unfortunately people in the UK are entitled to , nay, it's compulsory, that they attend school under the age of 16. Comprehensive schools are rampant with pupils who don't want to learn... that's If I had the money I would send my kids to a public school even though it goes against my principles.
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