Saudis to build world's tallest skyscraper - double the size of the Burj Khalifa!
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It would be a remarkable achievement, will be interested to see if it happens.
Original post by Democracy
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But your criticism made no illicit reference to the aristocracy, as opposed to the population of Saudi Arabia. Even then, you're still exaggerating, in the sense that this is just a building. Had your comments been in reference to the stoning of a woman for adultery, you'd be a little more on target, but no. You'll elude the same hyperbole should a Saudi choose to blow his nose. Which is why you need to calm down.
What did you expect me to say, "herp derp omg skaiscraperz!!11"?
It's a Debate & Current Affairs forum, we tend to discuss things in more depth here.
It's a Debate & Current Affairs forum, we tend to discuss things in more depth here.
Again, hyperbole at the drop of a hat. I expect people to get heated, but if someone eludes a sense of unnecessary exaggeration at the drop of a hat, I will call them out on it and you are no exception.
As I've said repeatedly, but still you manage to miss the point, my issue is not really with your point of view. It's that it's so badly targeted. You can throw a hissy fit over the Chinese Olympic games opening, but it's not going to change the fact that it's the nature of societies to want to lay claim to a title, whether that be 'most extravagant celebration' or 'tallest building'. In reality, this is what that is, it is the Saudis wanting to lay claim to a title that many others, too want. Again, if you throw a fit at the drop of a hat, you won't be taken seriously. Just calm down.
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Original post by Democracy
I'm fairly certain the average Saudi would rather have a decent constitution and no corruption, or the godforsaken Pakistani slave labourers would rather have some basic human rights. Same goes for Bahrain, UAE, etc.
These Arab states literally revolt me, they're the most unclassy, uncultured places on the planet. They think by making endless skyscrapers that shows how "cultured" and "modern" they are...whilst most of their citizens live in poverty.
These Arab states literally revolt me, they're the most unclassy, uncultured places on the planet. They think by making endless skyscrapers that shows how "cultured" and "modern" they are...whilst most of their citizens live in poverty.
What you said is so TRUE, I was shocked when I went there, my aunties who were born there are not granted citizenship even though some of them were working as nurses for 20 years for the benefit of the country! Also they get paid less then the locals.
Looks like a suppository to me. Ew.
Fck this, I'm outta here!
Fck this, I'm outta here!
Original post by Sushidelight
Still, it won't distract us, these useless leaders shall soon face the end! And for anyone who speaks Arabic, this is the bravest man in Saudi Arabia....I hope he is still alive:
Would anyone who speaks arabic mind giving a brief translation of whats going on? It seems interesting. Is that Arouba street he's walking down?
Original post by Democracy
Original post by Democracy
Yes, as an international socialist, obviously the exploitation of workers and the masses have nothing to do with me...
Socialists can be racists too.
Pfft. The Burj Khalifa and this are going to be the tallest collapsed buildings in history.
I don't think the Saudis and UAE have the infrastructure to maintain these behemoths. They were built on dodgy labour. I don't think there is much quality assurance, and they will take a lot of very expensive maintenance which will be hard to sustain. Give it one or two years, the first flaws will start to show in the design. Give it five, the costs of maintenance will be too high, and people will abandon the skyscraper. Give it another five, there will be risk of total collapse.
I don't think the Saudis and UAE have the infrastructure to maintain these behemoths. They were built on dodgy labour. I don't think there is much quality assurance, and they will take a lot of very expensive maintenance which will be hard to sustain. Give it one or two years, the first flaws will start to show in the design. Give it five, the costs of maintenance will be too high, and people will abandon the skyscraper. Give it another five, there will be risk of total collapse.
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Original post by miss_maddy
Agreed! When you look at the picture and see all those buildings and then this massive one mile tall building...it's a bit sickening.
I know, we have the same problem here in Manchester, even though our skyscraper is much saner
This way you don't need to fly to be a member of the mile high club.
This will fail catastrophically. The Burj Khalifa cost $1.5bn and will almost certainly never pay that cost back over it's lifetime. Less than a quarter of it's space is currently occupied, and that's mostly rented out at a cut-down price anyway.
****ing Arab princelings thinking they can buy class, that they can buy true prestige. This will be a colossal white elephant and we should condemn Saudi Arabia and other Arab states for wasting such a ridiculous amount of money on it when they are basically all corrupt dictatorships.
For the record, I like skyscrapers a lot, but you have to invest in a whole skyline of moderately impressive skyscrapers, not just huge penis-compensating exercises in frivolity. A skyline of skyscrapers is a real show of wealth - look at Manhattan, Hong Kong or Vancouver for an example of how to do a skyline properly. I am glad that London isn't planning anything much bigger than the Shard, and that most of it's designs are relatively interesting.
****ing Arab princelings thinking they can buy class, that they can buy true prestige. This will be a colossal white elephant and we should condemn Saudi Arabia and other Arab states for wasting such a ridiculous amount of money on it when they are basically all corrupt dictatorships.
For the record, I like skyscrapers a lot, but you have to invest in a whole skyline of moderately impressive skyscrapers, not just huge penis-compensating exercises in frivolity. A skyline of skyscrapers is a real show of wealth - look at Manhattan, Hong Kong or Vancouver for an example of how to do a skyline properly. I am glad that London isn't planning anything much bigger than the Shard, and that most of it's designs are relatively interesting.
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Original post by FloatOn
Would anyone who speaks arabic mind giving a brief translation of whats going on? It seems interesting. Is that Arouba street he's walking down?
Not so familiar with their accent but there should have been a demonstration in that part of the city but the police and the secret service preemptively showed up. He drove around to see if any protesters were gathering and was told he would be arrested if they saw him in that vicinity again. He says that they have a right to protest but all the officers on show intimidated the youth away.
He then proceeds to talk about corruption, injustice, freedom and dignity as a right for humans and says that he'll definitely get arrested before he even gets home because he spoke up. The reporter asks him "what about your children", he says that their future is more important..
He drives off, they try to call him in a few days but no answer. He's probably dead in all honesty.
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)Original post by Uzi2491
Well I got a 5 point warning for calling Israelis disgusting people - and last time I checked, Israelis are not a race of the human species either.
And well done for just telling me that Democracy was not racist, when making a blatantly racist comment in your own post.
Logically: Either you think racism is fine, so why defend Democracy? Or, you don't think it is fine, but believe you are somehow justified. Or, more likely, you're just a moron.
And well done for just telling me that Democracy was not racist, when making a blatantly racist comment in your own post.
Logically: Either you think racism is fine, so why defend Democracy? Or, you don't think it is fine, but believe you are somehow justified. Or, more likely, you're just a moron.
Yes, you called Israelis disgusting people. The person you're responding to referred to Arab culture, not Arab people.
Original post by Aphotic Cosmos
This will fail catastrophically. The Burj Khalifa cost $1.5bn and will almost certainly never pay that cost back over it's lifetime. Less than a quarter of it's space is currently occupied, and that's mostly rented out at a cut-down price anyway.
****ing Arab princelings thinking they can buy class, that they can buy true prestige. This will be a colossal white elephant and we should condemn Saudi Arabia and other Arab states for wasting such a ridiculous amount of money on it when they are basically all corrupt dictatorships.
****ing Arab princelings thinking they can buy class, that they can buy true prestige. This will be a colossal white elephant and we should condemn Saudi Arabia and other Arab states for wasting such a ridiculous amount of money on it when they are basically all corrupt dictatorships.
Exactly. Catastrophic mistake. They are doomed to collapse or to be purely ornamental. I suppose they were built on top of relatively optimistic times, but now the world economy has gone down hill and they're mired in debt, the failings are obvious. Absurdly impractical skyscrapers won't cause any sort of economic boom.
Even though I would prefer that they use their limitless wealth on something more productive, I would actually want to see that.
Original post by FloatOn
Would anyone who speaks arabic mind giving a brief translation of whats going on? It seems interesting. Is that Arouba street he's walking down?
Yes it is....
'I am here to say that we need democracy, we need freedom, we need to speak openly without anyone stopping us. Why are all the police here? So they stop us from talking. And we'll still talk. The government does not own us. We want freedom and that's it'
'Why do you think you are not living in freedom?'
'I passed here twice, they told me if they see me one more time, they will put me in jail. Why? I am here to express myself. You see all this police, you know why they are here? You really think to improve this area?! I came here by myself, because I heard the people will gather here. Yet no-one can come. There are secret forces here, the people who came with you on the bus, are all secret service, not normal people.'
'Some are part of the media.'
'Which has no freedom. In this Kingdom there is no freedom. The people cannot speak. The media has an agenda for the government.... they honestly did not think, that someone will stand and talk to the media, for he will go to jail. I want to go to jail. The nation wants to enter jail! The nation wants to go to jail! I was so scared, and scared, and scared, until I blew up inside. I fear nothing now. There is no freedom. There is no dignity. There is no justice.'
'But all the doors are open why are...'
'They are not open. I swear they are not. If you have a problem, you go on Saturday and they tell you the prince is not here today... wait a 1000 years. There is corruption. We are so tired, there is nothing here. The youth would come if there was no police.'
'You seem happy. Are you not afraid of your children?'
'I have two boys and two girls. I am afraid for them, in the future not now. It's impossible that they will let me go home now.... you know what the many prisons are like....if I ever get out....I will not stay in Saudi.'
And afterwards the BBC called him on the phone, couldn't get hold of him.
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Original post by In2deep
Not so familiar with their accent but there should have been a demonstration in that part of the city but the police and the secret service preemptively showed up. He drove around to see if any protesters were gathering and was told he would be arrested if they saw him in that vicinity again. He says that they have a right to protest but all the officers on show intimidated the youth away.
He then proceeds to talk about corruption, injustice, freedom and dignity as a right for humans and says that he'll definitely get arrested before he even gets home because he spoke up. The reporter asks him "what about your children", he says that their future is more important..
He drives off, they try to call him in a few days but no answer. He's probably dead in all honesty.
(short version )
He then proceeds to talk about corruption, injustice, freedom and dignity as a right for humans and says that he'll definitely get arrested before he even gets home because he spoke up. The reporter asks him "what about your children", he says that their future is more important..
He drives off, they try to call him in a few days but no answer. He's probably dead in all honesty.
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)Shukran (That's about the extent of my arabic knowledge)
Yes, I heard about the planned protest which never actually happened. I see why now. Very brave of the man. Personally I've not heard of a political activist being murdered in Saudi, but then again that's not the type of thing they would want you to hear. Most of them are imprisoned are they not.
ahhhhh! so so so pointless! I have seen the one in Dubai, it's so bland :|
Lame, still waiting for the 10 mile high skyscraper that looks so tall from a distance it looks comical
Also, space elevators, who cares about really tall buildings - we Need space elevators.
Also, space elevators, who cares about really tall buildings - we Need space elevators.
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