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TSR's 2012 Tuition Fees Tracker - how much are universities charging in 2012?

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I personally think 80% cut in university funding is the most stupid educational move this government could have achieved. UKwide research, for our population, outstrips almost any nation apart from America. What it will do is create more LSE/Durham cases; going to dodgy sources to secure income and relying on rich international students to pay the bills. Funding tuition fees is an investment that reaps rewards for the government in a highly educated citizenry who can be part of the 'knowledge economy' people keep banging on about

However the cat's out the bag now and no government will reverse tuition fees. We're going down the route to an American style higher education system, where people are locked into ridiculous debts which means that employers can do all sorts of horrible things and people won't leave because they have debt approaching 6 figures hanging over their heads. Lovely
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Who do you think benefits from the route higher education in this country is going down? Does anyone benefit?

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Aeschylus

Original post by RK

Who do you think benefits from the route higher education in this country is going down? Does anyone benefit?

It benefits the establishment universities. Oxbridge, The Russel Group and a select few in the 1994 group whose *spit* prestige is such that people will still fight for places because a degree from that university will turn heads around the world. Groups of universities (explicitly The Russel Group) have been lobbying for this for years. It will drive social mobility backwards. what it will create is an elite who more often than not with extra tuition will buy their way into university. My supervisor, who works on admissions for my subject (a comp lad made good) is absolutely apoplectic at the new system; he said he has nothing against Private school kids but at the moment the idiot private school lot who've obviously been coached to hell and back (he is NOT referring to the majority of private school kids who work hard) are - rightly - outnumbered by kids from state schools who've worked hard. With the new tuition fees things will change.

It will turn the running of universities ever more into a business. Fair enough universities should not be a law unto themselves. But subjects, which provide development and analytical skills have a great risk of being thrown on the scrapheap because they do not provide an immediate monetary benefit. Kids unless they have an inheritance the size of Belize, will not queue up to learn English or History in the numbers they do now. Now whether you agree that these are 'proper' subjects a good english or history degree is no joke (English student speaking). Knowledge for knowledge's sake is passe; it's telling that people justify increased tuition because you earn more with a degree. So that's rather sad.

It's great for businesses. Having graduates who'll turn up at the weekends, not on overtime and take a pay cut because they're grateful to have a job, have a huge amount of debt hanging over them, and know there's thousands of graduates out there who will do their job if they don't want to will increase job insecurity. At the very worst if there is a considerable decrease in students you could see many major businesses decamping from Britain. We have huge bioscience, pharmaseutical and financial industries; if they go we are sunk

tl;dr good for established university vice-chancellors and CEOs of huge corporations, rubbish for anyone else, especially people who think education is not just the pay check you get out of it afterwards.

EDIT: negged, for what? my opinion?

(edited 13 years ago)

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-honeybee-

Original post by RK

Who do you think benefits from the route higher education in this country is going down? Does anyone benefit?

Are you a teacher? This question sounds very 'teacher-like'.

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Epic Tristan

Royal Holloway Announced 9000

http://www.rhul.ac.uk/aboutus/newsandevents/news/newsarticles/royalholloway,universityoflondon,announcesfeesof9000from2012.aspx

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TSR Community Staff

Original post by -honeybee-

Are you a teacher? This question sounds very 'teacher-like'.

Hehe, I was a maths teacher for a while, but now I work full time for the company which runs TSR.

Original post by Epic Tristan

Royal Holloway Announced 9000

http://www.rhul.ac.uk/aboutus/newsandevents/news/newsarticles/royalholloway,universityoflondon,announcesfeesof9000from2012.aspx

Thanks, I will add it to the map :smile:

Thought so :wink:

Why don't they charge those people who benefited from a free university education (many of which are current MPs :smile:

) through a very late graduate tax?
I know it will never happen but I think they should contribute something, although it probably won't make a dramatic difference to the new fees.

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TSR Community Staff

Original post by woods.vanessa

Why don't they charge those people who benefited from a free university education (many of which are current MPs :smile:

) through a very late graduate tax?
I know it will never happen but I think they should contribute something, although it probably won't make a dramatic difference to the new fees.

Because that would mean the generation who got free university education by having their elders pay for it would not have changed the rules when they get in to power to remove the same burden from themselves so they neither have to pay for their own university education nor much towards a university education for any future generation either.

Does that seem fair?

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MrsCrackFox

What is Cardiff playing at?
Come onnnn, tell us what it is. :frown:

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TSR Community Staff

Queen Mary University of London announced £9000 fees yesterday and have been added to the map.

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TSR Community Staff

The University of East London is the latest to announce fees of £9000 a year.
Teesside University has also announced fees of £8500 for all undergraduate degrees.
Roehampton University have announced fees from £7500 to £8250.
St George's University of London have announced fees of £9000 for undergrad degrees.

What do you guys think of this?

What about the growing list of universities which are charging £9000? Are there any surprises amongst those which want to charge the full amount? Are there any surprises amongst those who aren't charging the full amount?

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goldenGAZE

I've just read that Roehampton will charge majority @ £7,900 but some specialist courses @ £8,250.

Edit: Link http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/25/higher-education-universityfunding

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A level Az

I really hope the government decide to lower the limit of fees to something that won't discourage me from taking a gap year and applying to Cambridge/UCL etc. for a different course as I made a mistake about my current one. There is a still a chance (however small) that fees may not be as high as £9000 as it is not finalized yet, so all I can do is hope universities will receive part of their funding from elsewhere.

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Aeschylus

University of East London £9k?

Final nail in Clegg's coffin

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TSR Community Staff

Kingston University announce fees of £8500 for most courses and up to £9000 for some courses.

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nexttime

Original post by A level Az

I think the chances of that are extremely slim.

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A level Az

Original post by nexttime

I think the chances of that are extremely slim.

Yup.

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ultimate mashup

What a surprise???????

http://www.docklands24.co.uk/news/university_of_east_london_to_charge_9_000_tuition_fees_1_867095

Here are East London's positions in the 2011 lague tables:

Times: 111 out of 113
Independent: 113 out of 115
Guardian: 117 out of 118

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