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Tell that to the people who queue up the Jobcentre everyday.
Reply 61
Original post by CameraGirl
is it even possible for you to be further up your own rear end?!
so you're saying that if you'd just created £30000+ debt doing a decent degree, you'd be satisfied cleaning toilets because selfish idiotic snobs like you think yourself so high and mighty and everyone else the scum of the earth?


I'm saying if you're not good enough to get a job doing what you want to do, then cleaning toilets is not beneath you.
who says that even with work experience you can get a job?
and who says it would be beneath me personally? i said i wouldnt be satisfied, i never said i wouldnt do it. i've had jobs in the past and i work my butt off at uni to do well, and i am going to come out with a VERY good degree, a unique degree (the only MMet in the world), which i will share with just 70 other people across the world. so it really won't be that much of a problem for me to get a decent job, especially since there are still jobs going in my field of expertise at the moment. just not something a lot of the unemployed people of britain could do.

i never said i was too good for a working class job, i just dont think its particularly fair for a graduate who worked their a*** off at university to get their degree to have to go into an absolutely crap job because the economy is so ****.

please dont call me stupid, or my degree worthless, because i highly resent that, and it is completely untrue. i am going into that debt to further my education, and myself as a person, and to increase my chances of getting a decent job. as opposed to sitting around doing nothing and then moaning about my minimum wage job i'll be stuck in all my life. it's called initiative, not stupidity.
Original post by Lassilsa
I'm saying if you're not good enough to get a job doing what you want to do, then cleaning toilets is not beneath you.


or maybe there arent enough jobs in your field of specialisation because the economy is so s***? there are hundreds of applicants for every vacancy, only one person can have it, even if many of the others were good enough for the job.

believe me, if you're made redundant purely because the company couldnt afford to pay you, nothing to do with your work perfomance, and you were earning £100,000 a year, and you have very good experience and could easily do every one of the 200 jobs you apply for, but there simply are too many people applying to each job that many dont even get seen, reviewed or interviewed, then you ARE above cleaning toilets.

why dont you go clean some toilets, i wouldnt hire you if you come across this rude all the time and in general life, so that's where you'd likely end up.
Original post by Lassilsa
I'm saying if you're not good enough to get a job doing what you want to do, then cleaning toilets is not beneath you.


It's not that that people aren't good enough to get the jobs - the jobs just don't exist. A lot of companies are doing 12 weeks compulsory unpaid training now just because they can, people need the jobs.
Reply 65
Original post by CameraGirl
or maybe there arent enough jobs in your field of specialisation because the economy is so s***? there are hundreds of applicants for every vacancy, only one person can have it, even if many of the others were good enough for the job.

believe me, if you're made redundant purely because the company couldnt afford to pay you, nothing to do with your work perfomance, and you were earning £100,000 a year, and you have very good experience and could easily do every one of the 200 jobs you apply for, but there simply are too many people applying to each job that many dont even get seen, reviewed or interviewed, then you ARE above cleaning toilets.

why dont you go clean some toilets, i wouldnt hire you if you come across this rude all the time and in general life, so that's where you'd likely end up.


No-one is above any kind of work. My father took a HUGE paycut when he lost his really good job. He did that until he managed to get a job in his old sector, because unlike a lot of the people at the job centre, he had a scrap of dignity.
Many immigrant workers are employed in black-market occupations such as farm labour for which they are underpaid. That said, there are fewer jobs than there are unemployed people (which is good for the capitalist system as it provides a large pool of potential labour competiting against each other for the same jobs, thereby driving down wages).
Original post by Lassilsa
Oh sod off. I got my current job that I really enjoy straight out of uni with little experience.

For the people who are long-term unemployed, there is a reason for it, and it's not just the recession.


Theres no need to be rude just because others dont agree.

Getting a job at the moment is difficult and some people dont have the best luck.

And before you say, yes I have a job and yes its a very good one.
I think it depends on the type of job.

Yes, for graduate-level jobs there's always going to be a lot of competition for only a few jobs. However, if someone really needs any job to pay the bills, there are plenty. I got a job doing waitressing, with no experience or qualifications, aged 15: and I work alongside people 30 years older than me who have this type of job as their only source of income.

This doesn't, obviously, lead to a fulfilled worker: but if it's sustaining a reasonable standard of living that someone needs, they should be willing to look at these sort of entry-level jobs.
Original post by A Mysterious Lord
Gone are the days when whole counties were employed by the manufacturing sector (cotton mills, train building, car industry etc), as things are outsourced and/or imported, the number of jobs is going DOWN with the population going UP, or does the OP transcend logic?


The reason whole counties stopped being employed by the manufacturing sector is the same reason whole counties stopped being employed in agriculture - because we found more efficient ways of production. If we hadn't got more efficient at producing in agriculture there would have never been a manufacturing sector in the first place, because there wouldn't have been the spare labour to move to the cities to work in manufacturing, which could be fed by a surplus of food produced by the now more efficient agricultural sector.

Now we've got more efficient at producing technology and consumer goods it has freed people up to work in other areas which is why the service sector has expanded. There are now more jobs than ever.
Original post by Lassilsa
On the news there was a man saying, 'the foreigners work for peanuts'. But they can only for minimum wage ffs, which the last time I checked was hardly peanuts.

These British people need a good kick up the backside to get a job.


Or there are no jobs above London...........
What if you're unemployed because you have no experience, and having no experience means taking voluntary work/unpaid internships? Doing something for nothing to get something means in the interim you need a bit of funding to, you know, exist.
Original post by Jimbo1234
Or there are no jobs above London...........


Above London? What? Do you mean outside of London?
Original post by caiitlinz
I think it depends on the type of job.

Yes, for graduate-level jobs there's always going to be a lot of competition for only a few jobs. However, if someone really needs any job to pay the bills, there are plenty. I got a job doing waitressing, with no experience or qualifications, aged 15: and I work alongside people 30 years older than me who have this type of job as their only source of income.

This doesn't, obviously, lead to a fulfilled worker: but if it's sustaining a reasonable standard of living that someone needs, they should be willing to look at these sort of entry-level jobs.


It depends where you live. There are regional differences. If you live in a small town then there are not that many of those type of small entry level jobs available. In a city its better but most graduates who haven't got a graduate job end up moving back with parents because its hard to pay for rent in a city, when you are working part time as a waitress or bar man or whatever.

Also don't forget in the current climate, for all of the 'low level' jobs in supermarkets or shops etc, there are people who have got a lot more experience than graduates have, who are floating around the labour market having been made redundant from their previous jobs. They have got an advantage over graduates who have just been in education and done the odd part time job, so its not always easy for graduates to get the lower level jobs in a tight labour market.
Original post by RedRevolver
Above London? What? Do you mean outside of London?


No, what I mean is in a geographical sense.
Draw a line above London. Above the line there are no jobs, below it there are jobs.
Reply 75
i'll go spread the word to all those paralysed people, shame on them
Reply 76
Original post by Lassilsa
Then why can't the grads take minimum wage jobs until a suitable vacancy arises? There are plenty of toilet-cleaning jobs available.


Because, unlike Busted:

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GO TO SCHOOL FOR :wink:
(edited 13 years ago)
Reply 77
Original post by rosee92
Because, unlike Busted:

THAT'S NOT WHAT WE GO TO SCHOOL FOR :wink:


But if you're not good enough to get a job doing what you want to do, scrubbing toilets is certainly not beneath you.
Original post by MagicNMedicine
It depends where you live. There are regional differences. If you live in a small town then there are not that many of those type of small entry level jobs available. In a city its better but most graduates who haven't got a graduate job end up moving back with parents because its hard to pay for rent in a city, when you are working part time as a waitress or bar man or whatever.

Also don't forget in the current climate, for all of the 'low level' jobs in supermarkets or shops etc, there are people who have got a lot more experience than graduates have, who are floating around the labour market having been made redundant from their previous jobs. They have got an advantage over graduates who have just been in education and done the odd part time job, so its not always easy for graduates to get the lower level jobs in a tight labour market.


Yeah, I agree with what you're saying. I can only relate it to my personal experiences: I live in a small village (<1000 people) and have been able to leave a perfectly good job for another better one, just because there are the opportunities in my area.

I am working with someone who's a recent uni graduate, in the middle of her Masters. She's not really done waitressing/bar work before, but she managed to get the job fine. Her take on it was that in her course (History and American Studies) there really weren't any real-life applications, or any work experience.

I just wonder if it's not the fault of the sorts of degrees that are popular nowadays, and how they don't, often, have any connection to getting a job at the end. But that's just the whole argument of whether a university degree should be academic learning or training yourself to get a job at the end. Hmm :/ Hope it doesn't happen to me, anyway.
Reply 79
Original post by Lassilsa
These British people need a good kick up the backside to get a job.


Your right, but not in context and certainly not in general..

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