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There is no excuse to be unemployed

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But if you're not good enough to get a job doing what you want to do, scrubbing toilets is certainly not beneath you.

Agreed that if that's ALL you can do then do it, but clearly even the worst of graduates must be capable of holiding out for a bit more if they could get a degree - I'm not saying all degrees are equal but if I got told in 2013 that the only hob available to me was cleaning toilets I'd be peed off!

Well not really, because I'm in training to be a part-time deputy registrar and people are always getting married and such... :wink:

Reply 81

Dekota-XS

Unemployment is no joke, it is depressing, it can break a person down and drive them to suicide. It's far to easy to point fingers and talk the big talk on a forum being a naive student.

Reply 82

candytreeman

Clearly something wrong with the world if somebody recruited the OP.

Reply 83

JGR

Why all these references to cleaning toilets?
The number of unemployed people exceeds the number of vacancies for sanitary cleaning by several orders of magnitude.
That'd be the case even if you sacked all the migrants working in that field first.

The same applies for most fields which seem to be being bandied about in this thread.

The swathes of people unemployed are that way simply because their labour is in excess and not required.
People are in surplus, and you don't need a small army of workers to get anything done any more.

Reply 84

Lassilsa

Original post by candytreeman

Clearly something wrong with the world if somebody recruited the OP.

And what's that supposed to mean? :angry:

Reply 85

MagicNMedicine

Original post by Dekota-XS

Unemployment is no joke, it is depressing, it can break a person down and drive them to suicide. It's far to easy to point fingers and talk the big talk on a forum being a naive student.

Exactly.

If the issue was that there were a load of companies struggling to find workers, because all the unemployed were too lazy to take jobs, then some of these points would be relevant.

But it isn't, the issue is it is easy as anything to fill a job even a low level job, because there is a mass excess of labour and too many unemployed people fighting over too few vacancies.

I think some people think that the 'global financial crisis' was that around 2008 a load of people decided en mass to become lazy, and we are waiting for them to decide they want to start working again.

Reply 86

busine$$$tudent

Original post by johndoranglasgow

Because there are no vacancies?
I tell you what, I presume you have a job.
Find another one. Quit your job and go find another then come back and tell us all how easy it is out there on the job market.
'Cause I think you'll find mate, there's not a lot going out there.

+If I worked hard in uni for 4years+ then damn straight I wouldn't be cleaning f*cking toilets, let some of the arrogant little ****s that I was surrounded with in high school deal with that. I'll wait for something a bit more relative to how much effort I've put in to my life.

I wish I could use my daily thumbing up allowance on your quote. You couldn't have hit the nail on the head better if you tried.

Reply 87

kopite493

i have been looking for like a year and a half so yes there is an excuse there are not enough jobs

Reply 88

Reflexive

'In these terms, consider unemployment. When, in a city of 100,000, only one is unemployed, that is his personal trouble, and for its relief we properly look to the character of the individual, his skills and his immediate opportunities. But when in a nation of 50 million employees, 15 million people are unemployed, that is an issue, and we may not hope to find its solution within the range of opportunities open to any one individual. The very structure of opportunities has collapsed. Both the correct statement of the problem and the range of possible solutions require us to consider the economic and political institutions of the society, and not merely the personal situation and character of a scatter of individuals.'

Reply 89

iamyourspiritfrombeyondth

Original post by Reflexive

Would rep if I could, nice bit of C. Wright Mills.

Reply 90

johndoranglasgow

Original post by busine$$$tudent

I wish I could use my daily thumbing up allowance on your quote. You couldn't have hit the nail on the head better if you tried.

Thanks mate :smile:

Reply 91

George Agdgdgwngo

The OP is a moron but I believe there is a problem in this country with people thinking some jobs are somehow 'beneath' them. If you are unemployed, you have the same status as any other unemployed person. It's amazing how people feel they have the right to turn their noses up at jobs just because they went to uni.

Fair enough there are less jobs than there used to be, but I experience the problem I've mentioned above day in-day out, even by some of my mates! I currently work part-time in a ****ty factory while at uni, if I can't get a job in my field for whatever reason (I'm not good enough x less jobs available x not enough experience) then I'll need to work as many hours possible in said ****ty factory until I can get something more appropriate.

There's also the problem of [predominantly] 'working' class (and thats in inverted commas as it's dubious as to whether they can even be described as that) complaining about "foreigners coming over here taking our jobs". Yes you clown, they came over here 10 years ago to do the job even you thought was beneath you with all of those GCSEs, A-levels and degrees you have

EDIT: I'm from a working class background and consider myself working class.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 92

George Agdgdgwngo

Original post by CameraGirl

or maybe there arent enough jobs in your field of specialisation because the economy is so s***? there are hundreds of applicants for every vacancy, only one person can have it, even if many of the others were good enough for the job.

believe me, if you're made redundant purely because the company couldnt afford to pay you, nothing to do with your work perfomance, and you were earning £100,000 a year, and you have very good experience and could easily do every one of the 200 jobs you apply for, but there simply are too many people applying to each job that many dont even get seen, reviewed or interviewed, then you ARE above cleaning toilets.

why dont you go clean some toilets, i wouldnt hire you if you come across this rude all the time and in general life, so that's where you'd likely end up.

Sorry you're NOT 'above' cleaning toilets if the person cleaning toilets is now contributing more to society just because you refuse to get off your snobbish high horse.

Yes the job market for highly skilled professions is competitive and if you've applied for 200 jobs of a similar nature and not got them, theres obviously other people out there who are either better or will take the hit of a pay cut to be back in employment again and as such propose a much more economically sound choice for the organisation.

(edited 13 years ago)

Reply 93

CameraGirl

Original post by johndoranglasgow

Thanks mate :smile:

i agree. ran out of rep today though :frown:

Reply 94

moody_bum

What jobs?
I'd happily snap one up, but I can't find any.
Where are they?

Reply 95

liam1994

Oh good... find me one then.

Reply 96

liam1994

Original post by Dekota-XS

Unemployment is no joke, it is depressing, it can break a person down and drive them to suicide. It's far to easy to point fingers and talk the big talk on a forum being a naive student.

And a some what arrogant and idealised view on life. (Y)

Reply 97

Wenger

I'm going to have to disagree OP

Mechanisation and the declining confidence in the UK economy, has hit jobs hard. If you consider the majority of jobs available are around minimum wage, such as retail stores, supermarkets, and administration, then you'll see how this are changing.

Computers with their advanced software, online shopping, self-service kiosks, reductions in consumer expenditure, are wiping out jobs on an unprecedented scale. I'm in full support of various markets embracing the technology the world has to offer, but in terms of politics, it looks bad when JobCentre+ has never been busier...

Reply 98

Planar

Original post by marshymarsh

What jobs?

How come no one seems to realise that if no one will you a job you can simply give yourself one? Start a business if there are no jobs. And at any rate, for the young and able-bodied, there's the army.

Reply 99

Rzc

Original post by Lassilsa

Oh sod off. I got my current job that I really enjoy straight out of uni with little experience.

For the people who are long-term unemployed, there is a reason for it, and it's not just the recession.