What do you think should be done about disruptive students in lessons?

The benefit of not HAVING all of these chavs, and yobs, and uneducated ignorant pigs living in this country. Actually educating them properlly will stop a lot of children BECOMING this way.
People become like this because of 1. their uprbringing and 2. their education

Again, I'm referring to sociology. But I really don't want to explain it much further now.
Btw, please stop writing to me again when you already have and I'm typing a response... It gets our conversations muddled.

It ****ing is not. Where's the evidence? You have not provided no source links. You haven't even given statistical evidence it will save the taxpayers money!



I've seen that it can't happen, which negates your point entirely.

Upbringing and education creates who we are... Our experience define us.

We can change ourselves and make decisions to a certain extent, but these things have a HUGE impact, especially on children.

If you don't understand that you need to go read some sociology and psychology books, then come back to me.

I apologise for the little typing issue

We have loads of chavs despite the fact that the government spend £9000 per pupil per year up to and including GCSE. What do they need to sit down, shut up and listen to the teacher, a friggin' gold plated excercise book. You are clearly someone who cares about others but there comes a point where you must see that diverting resources from ill-behaved chav-kids to other more deserving causes is a must. You speak of education being the answer to the problem, but many of them quite simply do not want to learn and when they receive kind words encouraging them to behave properly as opposed to some good old fashoned punishment they see this as getting away with bad behaviour. If your therapeutic approach to bad behaviour works why does the UK have such high re-offending rates for ASBOs?

If that's so true, how come people with the SAME upbringing and education can go to Oxbridge and some go on the dole?



Children choose to mess about because they know they can, and they know they can get away with it.



Believe me, I have. I don't know what **** you are talking about really. What psychologists/sociologists' work have you been reading? Taking sympathy to Marxist sociological views I see?

Again, where's the statistical evidence that "giving them help" will benefit the taxpayer? Note the words: statistical evidence.

If that's so true, how come people with the SAME upbringing and education can go to Oxbridge and some go on the dole?



Children choose to mess about because they know they can, and they know they can get away with it.



Believe me, I have. I don't know what **** you are talking about really. What psychologists/sociologists' work have you been reading? Taking sympathy to Marxist sociological views I see?

Again, where's the statistical evidence that "giving them help" will benefit the taxpayer? Note the words: statistical evidence.

Yes, and I've already agreed that if it's adomant that the child will not change, then we must give up and kick them out. I'm simply arguing that this shouldn't be an IMMEDIATE thing when they have room and potential to get better.
We should try before giving up, because this benefits us all in the long run. There will always be SOME that it doesn't work with, but that doesn't mean any child who ever mis-behaves should just be expelled. Children do this, it's how they learn and mature. I'm all for dicipline.

As I've explained... People with the same upbringing and education react differently. We all have different personalities, and so react differently to a range of experiences. It's still a psychological reaction that they can't help.
But how do you know you have the same upbringing? You don't know everything about other people's private lives.

again... I'm not giving statistical evidence because my argument isn't based on that.

Children are given too many chances these days. It is hard to expel a pupil and schools are reluctant to do so. Otherwise why would the Coalition make it easier to do so?

Possibly they are given too many chances, but that doesn't mean they should be given no chances at all.

I've already explained why two people with the same upbringing and education can react differently. I don't need to repeat it.

No, my argument isn't. We are both arguing our opinions, and nothing more. Yours isn't any more worthy than my own.

I can validate all my points with necessary sources - any specific ones?

Of course they should be given chances! BUT there is a limit. And that limit is 3.

Oh come on! If it were as simple as "to give them help" we wouldn't have this problem.

My God. Don't blame retarded 15 year olds' behaviour on their upbringing and their education. What about themselves?

Correlation does not equal causation - I take it would fail Statistics tbh.

Well I don't know why you've been arguing when I myself always said there should be a limit. I don't agree with 3, but whatever.

You can't validate your OPINIONS with sources.

Are you actually serious? What makes a person is a mixture of both their genetic makeup and their environment. Obviously, a person’s genetic makeup won’t affect their willingness to learn (much). So that leaves, the environment, the upbringing. If a person is taught to love learning, they will want to learn.

OK, so what do you think the limit should be set at?

Yes I can. And have done actually.