For all you anti gun hoplophobes on here

Because I accept that at some point in my life, I might need a firearm to defend myself.

So do you object to the principle of carrying defensive weapons in general, or just guns?

The reason I ask is because I now want your view on less-lethal defensive weapons - Tasers, batons, pepper spray etc.

Hmm, my posts have been ignored.
Maybe because I proved (with SO much evidence, as has good bloke) that all countries that allow ANYONE to own firearms have much higher violent crime rates, especially those relating to guns.
I've explained how letting anyone have them will make the streets more dangerous, because it's exactly what happens elsewhere.

It doesn't matter if you want it for self-defense, because if you can have it for self-defense so can idiots and thugs who then use it to mug someone.
Plus, as soon as guns are made that readily available in a country, and it's ok to carry them, it's SO easy for illegal guns to be distributed to the criminals who wouldn't be allowed them legally.

The cons outweigh the pros for over all society.

And no, this is purely about guns, I'd have absolutely no issue with tasers, mace, etc.

I downright refuse to take gun suicides into account, even if it wasn't for the fact they have legal suicide clinics down there in Switzerland. If someone really really wants to commit suicide they'll go to the highest building and throw themselves off

No they don't as I've already explained with the genocide stats. Thats not the point though, the point is that I'm a libertarian and first and foremost people should have the freedom to own what they want whether other people misuse it or not. Its the difference between an authoritarian state and a free state.

Well, I'd also like a gun to go to firing ranges with every so often.

To me, people's right to live and be safe is more important than your right to own a fire arm just because you want the right. You don't need it.

This is already allowed. You can own guns for sport.

what do you mean peoples right to be safe? so tell me what gaurantees our safety in this country? is it the cops who turn up after the murder? or useless cctv? me being able to defend myself prior to that would be my idea of being safe

defend yourself now, just not with a gun, and it won't be against a gun either.

Well damn you sound very sure of that, so theres 0% chance of being attacked with a gun in our society? absolutely 0%! I think it depends where you live and the 2 people shot in the news article in the opening post weren't so lucky

Your claim is the one that has been exposed as a lie. Good Bloke, the obligation is on you to explain why you continue to spout the debunked claim that there is high gun-related murders in Switzerland.
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I will not be engaging Good Blokes' hysterics-driven argument any longer.

Umm......why?


Stop making the false claim that you have shown evidence! You haven't. As you've previously been shown, civilian gun ownership reduces crime. Therefore other posters would be wise to question the legitimacy of your "statistics".

You can rant all you like Good Bloke. Your attempts to mislead other users with inaccurate information lost you any credibility you had left in this thread.

I'm not going be engaging your hysterics-driven argument. I have no time for people who try to derail threads when they don't get their way.

What planet are you on?!

Of course, because the Government always tell the truth.


And she says that I'm on another planet

You can keep repeating that but the only person you are convincing is yourself, and possibly Hardballer who seems to be on the same planet as you.

Thats another reason for owning a gun! self defense from aliens. oh you think I'm joking don't you? well we aint the only lifeforms out there and when we finally do get visitors I'm gonna want a deterrant if they aint so friendly

This is already allowed. You can own guns for sport.