What do you think should be done about disruptive students in lessons?

Oh yes, no evidence. Except that I witness it every day I'm at work, and most teachers from decent school would probably back it up?
It's not rocket science... Immature children generally grow up.

Work houses... Oh yes, a very viable and realistic answer. And not exploiting human rights at all.
You're just coming up with things that seriously don't make sense, and don't fix the problem. We need to fix these issues, not bury them and doom children to a life of hell.

What problem? Little s*** syndrome.

You only have anecdotal evidence, which to be frank is a load of crap; at my school those who were naughty in lower years grew up to be even worse as they "grew up" to point of being dangerous

You only have anecdotal evidence, which to be frank is a load of crap; at my school those who were naughty in lower years grew up to be even worse as they "grew up" to point of being dangerous.

The problem is such, many state schooled pupils have to contend with distractions and abuse from ill-behaved children. Ignoring my work house comment hard labour for school drop-outs who turn to crime is viable.

You talk about fixing the problem by sometimes the answer is to cut them loose; if someone does not want to be in school learning, why force them to be there?

In sixth form, certainly, they should be kicked out. there should be a three strikes or you're out rule. in class, teachers need to be more consistent with giving out punishments/failing students who don't meet deadlines. if kids are still disruptive (and under 16) they need to be taken out of class, get whatever support they need to sort out their problems, incl. home ones, they reinserted into the class, when they can cope with it. and a more positive attitude to education needs to be encouraged.

No, it isn't it's just an ad hominem attack based on her reputation (Quite literally)

Of course money should be spend on making society better, thats why it should not be wasted on these people, they do not want to be in school learning, so instead of paying for them to be there let them leave, and focus on those who want to learn. If they end up unemployed (Which they shouldn't as there always seems to be a toilet which needs cleaning) slash their benefits, if they didn't want to help themselves at school, why should society help them when they've failed at life. If they turn to crime arrest them and give them hard labour to repay their debt to society.

Firstly they ruin it for others by being naughty, then they ruin for others by having resources (teachers time, textbooks and often rewards for almost normal behaviour) directed at them, which would be better spend on well behaved children who actually want to learn (Even if they are not A* students)

No just no, support is too expensive

Imo, disruptive students who are at university should be kicked out immediately.

Why come to university to be disruptive?

No excuses.

No just no, support is too expensive, why should it be given to undeserving brats when those who want to learn are forced to learn in classroms of over 30 people? If someone does not want to be in school let them leave and allow the rest of the class to learn; if they turn to crime, put them in a chain gang and get them working, like they do in the states.

Then I am proof that you are wrong.
I played up a fair bit when I was younger, mainly because I was bullied a lot and couldn't deal with it.
Yet I changed, I got my head down and worked.

Yes it doesn't happen to everyone who is "naughty". But to say it can't or doesn't happen is just bull****.

undeserving brats

I think the thing is, ideally we would just give the money to those students who work hard. But practically if we don't sort out these kids problems now (and the various social ones causing these problems) they will end up costing us a lot more money in the future. Plus it's also limited to suggest that these kids have the choice - they don't - we are all irrevocably determined by our environment and upbringing. But I agree, it's a hard one, cus the kids at the top need just as much support, and they often don't get it.

Is it fair to do that? when the nature of these kids is determined by the society they grow up in? If you'd been born in an unstable, working-class faminly, would you like to be treated that way? Or do you think you should get extra help to overcome the extra obstacles in your life?

SOMETIMES the answer is to cut them loose. I've already agreed to that.

My evidence isn't a load of crap. Maybe your school was **** and didn't do it properly?

This is ridiculous, you are blaming society for the ills of individuals (You wouldn't blame a rape victim when the rapist is at fault). Ideally everyone would get a tailor made education to suit them, but the system does not have enough money to pay to overcome every obsticle in each childs way. Serious decisions have to be made when it comes to the allocation of resources, and if it's between smaller class sizes to benefit the majority or pay out get ill behaved children to be good then I know what I would choose.

when actually society is the victim

One person is not sufficient proof; you are just anecdotal evidence. Besides is bullies were banned from school anyway then your behaviour (If what you say is true) would have been better, and you would not have negatively impacted the education of yourself and others.

Your not gonna understand my argument.
Poverty hurts society as a whole, you have to help them or you have to help them. You cant simply cast them aside and hope nobody else in the world notices. They dont go away.

Not as expensive (both in cost and in the impact to society) as the consequences of not supporting them.

Why do most people who are saying it disrupts learning coming across as some Orwellian slaves who are opposed to the agenda being disrupted by those unable to serve the masters..?

'we must learn, those that disrupt the learning must be punished!'

If the 'disruptive kid is bored, thats a natural reaction and something that cannot be seen as a punishable offense. Find out why kids are bored and give them more options so they can find a place in this world rather than becoming an empty vessel working a dead end 9 - 5 because they couldn't find anything fun to do in school and/or rely on the weekend/fights/drinks/girls/football/excessive drug use/job seekers/housing benefits to try and find some enjoyment in life.

Obviously kids need a base learning of certain subjects to communicate, work out basic sums on a day to day basis or to have some idea of how the world we live on works but there needs to be more nurture and reason and less blanket punishment IMO.