For all you anti gun hoplophobes on here

Er, that's the whole point mate. Even a hypothetical 60 year old gentleman who has never committed a crime in his life, has owned rifles and shotguns since he was 20, has been evaluated as having perfect mental health, was knighted and received multiple honours, is an active member of the police force, is a peer of the realm, regularly won gold medals for Britain in shooting events in the Olympics and other shooting tournaments, and is also the Archbishop of Canterbury, cannot own a handgun.

Read what I said, it might make sense if you used your noggin. Owning a hand gun is not well within the law, so no. What a petty, petty person you are being.

Plus I'm sure mate is the wrong noun in these circumstances. bye.

Owning a hand gun is not well within the law, so no.

If the Jews had resisted the stricter gun laws, the job would have undeniably been much more difficult for Hitler. It's all fine and dandy for you in your (I'm guessing) cushy White middle class lifestyle, but can you imagine people who may have lost relatives in Nazi germany, and the knowledge that if they had resisted gun laws, they would still be alive, and yet they are faced with authoritarians such as yourself to further clamp down on guns? I see extreme gun laws as Hitler's last legacy. I particularly follow JFPO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership).





All in all.. I believe in freedom, and have trust with society that liberalising gun laws slightly won't cause chaos, no more than introducing a minimum wage caused mass-unemployment. The liberty of the individual must be defended to the last step, and I will always fight totalitarians and authoritarians such as yourself, tooth and nail, to defend that liberty.

Simply being able to own a few guns for the Jews couldn't have saved them from the catastrophic things that happened. Hitler was strong, had a very huge army, and was a manic. He wanted world domination. Think of all of the countries that were invaded, how many allies it took to defeat him? It wouldn't have helped.

Yeah, this is the difference between us Libertarians and you anti-freedom authoritarians following your Nazi-esque ideology. You have no trust in society. Any liberalisation of anything causes a knee jerk reaction. Slightly liberalise gun control laws? THE STREETS ARE CHAOS!!!

Go back to your Tory-voting, Mail-reading, immigration-tutting middle class lifestyle. I know your kind exactly, and as said before, I will always fight your kind for the liberty of the individual.

I'm pretty sure that the jews for the presevation of firearm ownership know a lot more about that subject than you do

I don't see how that's relevent to my points at all.

Because you're arguing that tens of millions of European Jews owning weapons wouldn't have made a difference, when it's common knowledge that the disarming of the Jews was the key factor to beginning the slaughter of them.
Can you imagine people who may have lost relatives in Nazi Germany, and the knowledge that if they had resisted gun laws, they would still be alive, and yet they are faced with people such as yourself proposing to further clamp down on guns? I see extreme gun laws as Hitler's last legacy, because I particularly follow JFPO (Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership) who explain this viewpoint.

You're making this into something it's not.
Firstly, Hitler only disarmed the Jews in Germany, whereas the 6 million Jews killed were distributed across a LOT of Europe.
Secondly... That was something HUGE and DEVISTATING that happened here 65 odd years ago. Apart from the fact that things were very different then socially, it is not the sort of thing that's likely to occur again (ESPECIALLY in the UK!)
It's pretty irrelevent to the idea of guns in the UK, basically.
And, I'm not proposing a further clamp down on guns, I'm supporting the laws that already exist. There's a major difference.

I don't really care what their perspective is... I've explained why generally in society guns actually just cause more deaths and make people more at risk. You can't justify causing all of those extra deaths across the country just because there's this minute possibility of another HITLER! Really?!
Do you not see what I mean?

In the 20th Century:

Governments murdered four times as many civilians as were killed in all the international and domestic wars combined.
Governments murdered millions more people than were killed by common criminals.
How could governments kill so many people? The governments had the power - and the people, the victims, were unable to resist. The victims were unarmed.

As stated on the JFPO website:




To say "But it won't happen to me! We live in a civilised country and that would never happen here!!" is to quite frankly, spit on the graves of the 6 million Jews, 25 million Chinese, 2 million Cambodians, and 20 million Soviets who died. At least they died to send us a message - resist governments trying to take power from the citizen, and resist governments trying to take liberties from the citizen in the name of safety. You can ignore their message - but people like me, and liberty-loving citizens of countries all over the world will always fight an authoritarian stance on gun control, tooth and nail.



Gun control is Hitler's last legacy, and I and other freedom lovers wish to push it back to the authoritarian, totalitarian place from whence it came.

This is your opinion, not fact.


I could equally ask you why you want to endanger the lives of the population because of a shooting spree that MIGHT happen one day.



Ok, bye!

(but clearly won't, not in the UK).

That statement spits on the grave of every person that has ever been killed by a government. They thought the same as you. They gave their lives so that people like you could see the danger in letting the government take away your liberties. And you turn a blind eye, naive to the lesson history has taught you, meaning their deaths were worthless.

I trust the people more than you, I trust the government less than you. That is our fundamental difference.

That statement spits on the grave of every person that has ever been killed by a government. They thought the same as you. They gave their lives so that people like you could see the danger in letting the government take away your liberties. And you turn a blind eye, naive to the lesson history has taught you, meaning their deaths were worthless.

I trust the people more than you, I trust the government less than you. That is our fundamental difference.

What on earth are you on about?

Why would you waste your time asking that question, instead of simply reading the posts?

It doesn't spit on graves. They didn't "give" their lives, their lives were taken.

It does. It's an expression. They lost their lives, and in doing so, they sent us a message. And to ignore their message, and the message of history, and to say "but it will never happen to me" is to spit on the graves of 6 million Jews who died.