Why is zoophilia condemned and homosexuality not?

It isn't generally naturally occurring that different species have sex, for example cats and dogs, so why would it be for humans and other species?

First time i have been called closed minded so thanks haha! Idk maybe its because its a completely different species we're talking about, you dont see many cross breeds between bulls and alligators do you? theres a reason for that, you are genetically attracted to the same species and if not, there is something severely wrong... this is worse than that guy who made a thread defending incest!

I am puzzled by this 'animals can't consent' argument. We don't need consent when we kill animals. We don't need consent when we keep them as pets and keep them in cages against their will. If you are willing to extend the consent argument for sex between animals then why don't you use it for these other things.

OP, interspecies sex is fairly common. Animals cannot give consent, they can merely show distress. If someone beings having sex with a chimp, if the chimp doesn't like it, it will jolly well tell you. It wont sit there and take it like a scared child might do.

OP has a point and you all seem very quick to dismiss it.

Its a stupid point, how would society be if we have people going round banging the nearest chimp/dog or whatever? It is disgusting just because an animal might consent which I don't think can happen by the way it can't talk to you for goodness sake, you can't have a proper relationship with an animal, so why should people be allowed to have their way with them?

People wouldn't go around banging chimps/dogs. Zoophiles will be a tiny minority, just like homosexuals are the minority.
No an animals can't consent. So should I ask my canary for consent when I put it in a cage in my livingroom. What about when I keep my rabbit in a small hutch in the garden? Should we get the cows consent before we slaughter it?

You can't use the consent argument for animals.

Also, sometimes animals initiate sex with humans.

Actually, this entire debate is based on a position that is untenable. So therefore, that's just the way it is is merely a statement in fact, that reality is what it is, and you simply can't change it to suit you.

Even if it is the minority it's still wrong I can use the consent arugment for animals they are of lesser intelligence and alot of them are weaker than humans.... and I don't agree on slaughtering animals for meat either, and rabbits dont tend to care if they are kept in a hutch they are being kept and well looked after rather than someone taking advantage of them, having sex with animals is wrong.

How do you know rabbits don't mind being kept in a tiny box? Is it because they don't show any distress? Just like if a person had sex with a chimp that didn't show any distress, eh?

If you are going to use the consent argument for animals then I suppose we shouldn't kill animals or keep them as pets or in zoos, should we? They haven't given consent to be kept in a cage, have they

Black people having sex with white people is wrong.
Men having sex with men is wrong.
Do these arguments sound familiar to you?

Personally I think zoophillia is disgusting. But just because I don't like it doesnt mean there aren't arguments for it. Dismissing it straight away without a valid reason is closed minded though.

Why is this?

I am not talking about animals being forced to mate with humans, rather an intimate sexual relationship between both partners, to which both have consented in their own way and in which neither party is harmed.

It just seems like a double standard to me, I don't understand either zoophilia or homosexuality. The arguments for homosexuality and the arguments for zoophilia appear to be fairly similar. Yet one is outright condemned and the other is accepted as normal behaviour.

1. Both parties involved are consenting adults.

2. Both zoophilia and homosexuality are a sexuality, rather than a fetish.

3. Both involve an intimate relationship.

4. Both occur in nature.

5. Neither can result in offspring.

Thoughts? I don't even know why this came across my mind, I guess this is what happens when I do too much procrastinating.

Please note: I am not a troll, BNP supporter, a homophobe or a Zoophile, I am a student trying to have a sensible discussion and understand the logic behind people's opinions.

Two human being's having sex can not be compared to an animal and a human having sex it's not on the same scale.

Really? I'm pretty sure my dog can communicate quite effectively that he is enjoying himself when I stroke him, wagging his tale etc.

"Animals are capable of sexual consent - and even initiation - in their own way. It is not an uncommon practice for dogs to attempt to copulate with ("hump") the legs of people of both genders." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoophilia)

Some people like animals, just in the same way some guys like other guys.

Interspecies sex is quite common in the wild.

It is the issue of consent we are discussing here. If an alien comes down and consents to sex with me, who are you to say it is wrong, just because the alien isn't a human.


The argument doesn't fail just because it doesn't apply to you personally. I think you should answer the question, looking at it in an unbiased way. Should we close down zoos and stop killing animals because animals cant consent?


"There might be arguments for homosexuality but in the end it is wrong and very very disgusting. ". I've heard homophobes say this before

Your argument fails mate.

Y..Huh?

Seriously?

Firstly, how would you know the animal is consenting?

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Interspecies sex is quite common in the wild.

We are not meant to have sex with other animals it is gross

Ok you see moose mounting horses, but you dont see wildlife specialists mounting mooses do you? i hoenstly never thought i would discuss the morality of zoophilia lol

We seem to be going around in circles here.

Do you mean that from an evolutionary viewpoint or a biological one? Because from an evolutionary perspective men shouldn't have sex with men. From a biological viewpoint men shouldn't have sex with men. So what are you trying to say here. Is it gross because you don't like the idea of it. I don't like the idea of having sex with a man, does that mean we should ban homosexual sex?


This is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about when the sex is initiated by the animal (which is fairly common). The majority of people on this thread seem to be quite ignorant regarding animal sexual behaviour. Interspecies sex is more common than you'd think.

Don't you understand how we are going around in circles here? Every argument you have given the same thing has been said about homosexuality. Your argument is flawed.

Actually it does happen. And quite often we are fine with it (how else do we get mules!).