Is communism really bad?
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Original post by Emaemmaemily
The idea of communism caused no deaths at all.
People who took advantage of other people, and pretended to be trying to put communism into action (while actually they were keeping the government and rule, etc) are the ones that caused those deaths.
People who took advantage of other people, and pretended to be trying to put communism into action (while actually they were keeping the government and rule, etc) are the ones that caused those deaths.
so the idea of nazism caused no deaths either?
Original post by humanrights
so the idea of nazism caused no deaths either?
The idea of nazism was BASED on killing others and one race being better than others.
Communism is about people being equal, being treated equal and there being no class devide. - All past "communsit societies" that have done bad things HAVE NOT been communist at all.
Original post by Lewis :D
I mean, the idea looks really good, but it isn't viable at all.
People naturally take charge, therefore a higher class is automatically formed.
Plus my geography teacher said communists knew how to look after their own.
People naturally take charge, therefore a higher class is automatically formed.
Plus my geography teacher said communists knew how to look after their own.
there are problems from an economic perspective, related to lack of incentives and resultant inneficiencies.
there is also the issue of lack of freedom, both of expression and of action.
thirdly, there is the problem of organisation without hierarchy.
basically, it looks good until you really analyse it, then you see it's nonsense.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
The idea of nazism was BASED on killing others and one race being better than others.
Communism is about people being equal, being treated equal and there being no class devide. - All past "communsit societies" that have done bad things HAVE NOT been communist at all.
Communism is about people being equal, being treated equal and there being no class devide. - All past "communsit societies" that have done bad things HAVE NOT been communist at all.
I think it says a lot about the theory that every LARGE scale attempt of it descends into dictatorship and tyranny
Original post by Aj12
I think it says a lot about the theory that every LARGE scale attempt of it descends into dictatorship and tyranny
No, I'd argue that it says a lot about people in this day and age.
I don't believe it would work now, but societies change and people develop... As people change, so too will their ability to accept a fairer society AND not want to take over, rule and kill people.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
The idea of nazism was BASED on killing others and one race being better than others.
Communism is about people being equal, being treated equal and there being no class devide. - All past "communsit societies" that have done bad things HAVE NOT been communist at all.
Communism is about people being equal, being treated equal and there being no class devide. - All past "communsit societies" that have done bad things HAVE NOT been communist at all.
no it wasn't
yes they were
Original post by Tahooper
Communism itself was created on the beliefs that there should be no classes and that everyone is equal. The state also owns everything.
The reason Communism is given bad rep is because of people who abused the power the state had like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
The reason Communism is given bad rep is because of people who abused the power the state had like Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
Actually pure communism would mean no state but everything owned by the people. Socialism is everything owned by the state. Feudalism to Capitalism to socialism then onto communism
Original post by humanrights
no it wasn't
yes they were
yes they were
Yes it was (Nazi).
No they weren't (communism)... They were NOT communist in many way, which is why they were so bad. It was the dictatorships and alike that caused the problems.
Original post by wildrover
All you neeed to do is look at the disaster of the communist russia.
Nothing about the USSR was remotely near communism (or socialism). Read this for more info: http://www.marxists.org/archive/brinton/1970/workers-control/index.htm
Original post by Aj12
I think it says a lot about the theory that every LARGE scale attempt of it descends into dictatorship and tyranny
That's because none of those attempts were serious about achieving communism; if they were there would have been no leaders, and thus no dictatorship. If you want to be more specific, you could say Marxism - authoritarian socialism - descends into dictatorship due to its theory, while the ideas of Bakunin - libertarian socialism - would mean attempts wouldn't descend into dictatorship, but that still leaves lots of things out.
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Original post by Emaemmaemily
Yes it was (Nazi).
No they weren't (communism)... They were NOT communist in many way, which is why they were so bad. It was the dictatorships and alike that caused the problems.
No they weren't (communism)... They were NOT communist in many way, which is why they were so bad. It was the dictatorships and alike that caused the problems.
nazis ended up killing a lot of people but their ideology was not about killing.
communists ended up killing a lot of people but their ideology was not about killing.
the proof is in the pudding as they say. nazism and communism are both socialist utopian concepts that have murdered hundreds of millions of people between them. communists a lot more.
as a moderate, i abhor both ideologies. why are you making excuses for a blatant totalitarian system of thought like communism?
Communism, despite opinion to the contrary, was bad both in theory and in practise.
Original post by humanrights
nazis ended up killing a lot of people but the ideology was not about killing.
communists ended up killing a lot of people but their ideology was not about killing.
the proof is in the pudding as they say. nazism and communism are both socialist utopian concepts that have murdered hundreds of millions of people between them. communists a lot more.
as a moderate, i abhor both ideologies. why are you making excuses a blatant totalitarian system of thought?
communists ended up killing a lot of people but their ideology was not about killing.
the proof is in the pudding as they say. nazism and communism are both socialist utopian concepts that have murdered hundreds of millions of people between them. communists a lot more.
as a moderate, i abhor both ideologies. why are you making excuses a blatant totalitarian system of thought?
Nazism is based upon biological racism, the supremecy of one race... These kinds of extreme ideologies will always create things like murder and genocide BECAUSE they're based on such things. It's RACISM! Lots of people have been killed for this elsewhere too.
Communism is about equality and peace, it is about making everything fair. There's nothing intollerant about this ideology and so no reason for it to cause harm or death.
Those who have (or pretended) to put communism into place have done so completely wrong, and so their result was NOT communism at all. It is the people that abused this system and the good people who believed in it that caused the deaths, not the ideology at all.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
Nazism is based upon biological racism, the supremecy of one race... These kinds of extreme ideologies will always create things like murder and genocide BECAUSE they're based on such things. It's RACISM! Lots of people have been killed for this elsewhere too.
Communism is about equality and peace, it is about making everything fair. There's nothing intollerant about this ideology and so no reason for it to cause harm or death.
Those who have (or pretended) to put communism into place have done so completely wrong, and so their result was NOT communism at all. It is the people that abused this system and the good people who believed in it that caused the deaths, not the ideology at all.
Communism is about equality and peace, it is about making everything fair. There's nothing intollerant about this ideology and so no reason for it to cause harm or death.
Those who have (or pretended) to put communism into place have done so completely wrong, and so their result was NOT communism at all. It is the people that abused this system and the good people who believed in it that caused the deaths, not the ideology at all.
nazism had racial aspect but it was not about genocide. it committed genocide. but it ever mentioned it. same with communism.
again, sane people look at actions. not words.
you sound like one of these islamic jihadists who hold up placards saying 'behead the infidel' whilst shouting islam is the religion of peace.
the communist regimes of the 20th century were the most murderous regimes in human history but somehow you are trying to say that communism is the idea of peace?
you force me into this but...........lol
Original post by humanrights
nazism had racial aspect but it was not about genocide. it committed genocide. but it ever mentioned it. same with communism.
again, sane people look at actions. not words.
you sound like one of these islamic jihadists who hold up placards saying 'behead the infidel' whilst shouting islam is the religion of peace.
the communist regimes of the 20th century were the most murderous regimes in human history but somehow you are trying to say that communism is the idea of peace?
you force me into this but...........lol
again, sane people look at actions. not words.
you sound like one of these islamic jihadists who hold up placards saying 'behead the infidel' whilst shouting islam is the religion of peace.
the communist regimes of the 20th century were the most murderous regimes in human history but somehow you are trying to say that communism is the idea of peace?
you force me into this but...........lol
No.
Nazism was about racism, and so would obviously instigate violence of SOME kind (as ALL racism always has).
Communism isn't based on any intollerance.
The "communist regimes" were NOT communism... Because they always still had a state or leader, which goes completely against communist ideals. (That's just ONE aspect that wasn't communism).
^ Their societies were not communist, therefore communism didn't cause deaths.
Nazism promoted the hate of other races, and so can be blamed for the deaths that ensued because it created and encouraged the hate!
^ I'm going to bed btw. Please don't leave me too much to read.
Original post by Emaemmaemily
No.
Nazism was about racism, and so would obviously instigate violence of SOME kind (as ALL racism always has).
Communism isn't based on any intollerance.
The "communist regimes" were NOT communism... Because they always still had a state or leader, which goes completely against communist ideals. (That's just ONE aspect that wasn't communism).
^ Their societies were not communist, therefore communism didn't cause deaths.
Nazism promoted the hate of other races, and so can be blamed for the deaths that ensued because it created and encouraged the hate!
Nazism was about racism, and so would obviously instigate violence of SOME kind (as ALL racism always has).
Communism isn't based on any intollerance.
The "communist regimes" were NOT communism... Because they always still had a state or leader, which goes completely against communist ideals. (That's just ONE aspect that wasn't communism).
^ Their societies were not communist, therefore communism didn't cause deaths.
Nazism promoted the hate of other races, and so can be blamed for the deaths that ensued because it created and encouraged the hate!
ok, lets just run with your standard politicially correct definition of nazism...........
communism also promoted hatred in the form of class hate. which led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
a wolf on sheeps clothing is not a sheep. surly you can understand that concept.
again, the proof is in the pudding and communism is the most murderous ideology in history. communism lends itself to mass genocide. it is a perfect tool for genocidal maniacs and i am quite shocked that you would dare to defend it.
but, marxism like all religions, blinds the faithful. so maybe i shouldn't expect any less from a fanatic.......
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Original post by Emaemmaemily
^ I'm going to bed btw. Please don't leave me too much to read.
try not to think of me too much.
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