How can I stop paying for the NHS?

Give me evidence that a chocolate teapot won't melt if I pour in the tea whilst standing on my head.

If you think that free-market dynamics break down in the healthcare market, against all extrapolation by empirical observation in other markets, then it is up to you to tell us why. And it's no good declaring "it's too important" or "it's too complicated, that proves nothing.

The reason healthcare is cheaper here than the US is because here it's ****. MRSA, Harold Shipman, and long waiting lists don't seem to bother people as long as they don't have to pay at the point of use.

Firstly, you are the one who is defending a system which exists only because people are forced to pay for it.

Secondly, you have invented the falacy that if the NHS didn't exist a bunch of people would die. That's quite a leap. You are the one defending systematic violence, you prove it.

Give me evidence that a chocolate teapot won't melt if I pour in the tea whilst standing on my head.

If you think that free-market dynamics break down in the healthcare market, against all extrapolation by empirical observation in other markets, then it is up to you to tell us why. And it's no good declaring "it's too important" or "it's too complicated, that proves nothing.

No one can be saved from death

Because of this post I think people should just start ignoring this bastard.

Really? Give me any evidence this is the case for healthcare.

The burden of proof lies on you my dear, I merely point you to the theory and ask why doesn't it hold?


Not at all, they were granted regional monopolies, and are integrated with horribly perverse incentives, overly-burdensome safety regulation since the Potters' Bar incident (especially compared with other forms of transport, such that costs are far higher for rail), and aren't a good example of a free-market at all.

I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?

Edit: I might have known that the extreme far left would have taken a disliking to my post.

I am considering getting private health insurance, but no longer wish to contribute to the NHS as it is the worst healthcare system in Western Europe. I do not see it as my responsibility to pay for other peoples' healthcare, when I am more than willing to pay for my own.

Is there any way I can stop the British public stealing my money to pay for their healthcare?

Edit: I might have known that the extreme far left would have taken a disliking to my post.

Well, they have no choice- because someone has to pay for the treatment, and if the person is uninsured, who would? Not the taxpayer, surely?

Like I said, you cant compare thing like healthcare and things like postal services.

1 - Are you really saying everyone could afford private care if they weren't taxed so much? That is quite a claim considering the cost of many treatments.

2 - It isn't a falacy and is quite logical. You charge people for healthcare, there will be people who can't afford it, so there will be people who die because of it.

What the hell has that got to do with anything?
And yes I do. As I, and other people, have said. Healthcare is different. You keep ignoring the reasons we give.

I'm sorry, but as someone who proposed the theory, its up to you to try and sell it to us.

I don't know, I thought either the hospital or the taxpayer. I know it goes against the American ethos of only caring about themselves but I didn't realise they would stoop that low.

Why not? Because it's essential? So? That doesn't mean that it's better provided by the State. Food is fairly essential, so is housing, heating and water, but they're not state monopolies.


There isn't proof it wouldn't, though, so arguing over proof is irrelevant. It follows that where there's no alternative that's free at the point of use, consumers would be more discerning over what is in their healthcare package.


It could raise up to £400bn, based upon back of the envelope calculations - as a central estimate.


Libertarianism is opposing the initiation of force. It is not about individualism, or stopping people working in a team, it's about allowing people the choice. The choice to pick their provider, to pick their employees and employers, to negotiate their own wages, to pick their schools and how much they wish to pay for them, to choose how to spend their money, to choose who they work with, to choose whether they work in a team, to choose how they spend their well-earned resources. It's NOT about stopping people working in a team - or working together, or sharing the fruits of their labour, it's about allowing people to have the freedom to live as they choose, and to associate with who they want. To paint Libertarianism as purely individualistic is a myth.


I have, I don't see the point? All he is saying is that private medical insurance doesn't duplicate many of the services already paid for under the NHS, and why should it, what demand would there be for that?

Apparently some of our compatriots would stoop that low too
Google "Sicko", a documentary made on the American helathcare and its comparison against UK. I

Apparently some of our compatriots would stoop that low too
Google "Sicko", a documentary made on the American helathcare and its comparison against UK. I

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_the_firm

There you go. Now tell me why it doesn't apply to healthcare.

A highly biased 'documentary'. I expect to see reason and nuance when I see arguments.

A highly biased 'documentary'. I expect to see reason and nuance when I see arguments.