What will happen to Pakistan now considering Bin ladens been hiding there ?

Now I'am willing to bet my balls that no one in the military establishment or the government knew of the whereabouts of Bin Laden

"Now I'am willing to bet my balls that no one in the military establishment or the government knew of the whereabouts of Bin Laden but that certain elements in the ISI were responsible and these are the elements which must now be destroyed by the army as they refuse to realise which way the wind is going and what is best for Pakistan."

The only change to the above is that I'am saying some military guys may have helped harbour him. But the primary player was definitely definitely the ISI.

You seems to be a good patriotic Pakistani and I am sure there are many more. The best thing good Pakistani can do for Pakistan is accept that there is cancer growing within that includes elements of Govt, Military, ISI etc--they are all hand in hand. Work hard to eliminate it. Blaming external agencies (like west, Israel, India, Hindus, Jews, etc ) will only lead to self demise.

He was found in a military establishment. I fail to believe that during the time he was there, no-one so much as saw him pop to the shops.
If ANYONE saw him or even suspected that he was there then it would stand to reason that they'd shop him in so they could have the reward.

See where I'm going with this?

I've just seen ongoing news and a 12 year old boy had visited the compound where Osama lived a few times - he knew about Osama and his wives.

He was found in a town HOUSING a military training academy. And of course he didn't "pop to the shops", he would have been noted and turned in- most people in Pakistan hate him.

Thank you

Indeed I completely agree with you and this is a thing about some Pakistanis including my dad which really REALLY pisses me off- their failure to see the growth of this internal cancer you describe and the tendency to blame everything from the current economic situation to the suicide bombings on the Americans and the Indians (RAW to be exact) in particular. This ridiculous victim mindset is now leading to us failing to see that the real problem here is the lack of expenditure in education which is continuing to see the radicalisation of many young people and the inability of the establishment (both the government and the military) to accept that the ISI, as good as it is, is compromised and the bits that threaten the rest must be pruned out before it is too late.

The problem is too many people within the establishment still believe that supporting the Haqqani network is the best way forward in Afghanistan because according to them, that group is the one which will have the most influence once the US withdraws. Moreover they also see a necessity to support groups such as Lashkar-e-Toiba because of their constant paranoia that a war with the Indians can break out anytime. Instead they should (and Kayani for one is a very intelligent man and realises this) see which way the wind is blowing and that supporting a terrorist group against a future superpower and trading with the Taliban in Afghanistan instead of the US, UK etc. is detrimental to the country's future.

I get really surprised to see such constant paranoia about Indian threat. From what I have seen average Indian does not care about Pakistan and they only get excited about Pakistan only when there is new perceived threat which normally follows after stupid attacks like the one in Mumbai. One third of Pakistan's GDP is wasted on Army. Just imagine if so called 'Indian' threat does not exist? The same corrupt elements from the Govt, army and ISI will lose the opportunity to generate revenues for themselves. These people use 'religion' 'ignorance' 'illiteracy' and 'perceived or non existing threats' to keep this cycle going. It will be a huge task for the average Pakistani to sort this mess. But it needs to sorted for the sake of everyone including the neighbours.

I don't think you realise that most Pakistanis hate Indians and its the same the other way around, as for the " average Indian does not care about Pakistan" comment go watch a few Indian news channels, almost every other story is to do with Pakistan, especially now, all the "facts" you hear on BBC will be exaggerated in some way by the Indian news channels to further degrade the way the average Indian perceives Pakistan. Why would the news channels do this if none of their audience gives a monkeys?

get really surprised to see such constant paranoia about Indian threat. From what I have seen average Indian does not care about Pakistan and they only get excited about Pakistan only when there is new perceived threat which normally follows after stupid attacks like the one in Mumbai. One third of Pakistan's GDP is wasted on Army

So you agree with the aid, , For a country that's slashing spending left right and centre, .

so unless you live in a penthouse you live in the stone ages ? what an ignorant and stupid comment

I dont agree with Aid, but Aid should only be taken away when the EU stops illegal farm subsidies( €55 billion a year ) and stops using the IMF to influence developing countries economic policy. Countries like pakistan give far more in debt servicing costs to the us that we give them in Aid. It doesnt matter if the government is corrupt as aid is distributed through NGOs. 150 million from a 650 billion pound is not alot, but in the long term farm subsidies should be stopped

then why is 80% of the Indian Military on Pakistans Border ? Why do indian politicians compete to say who will be the most aggressive with pakistan that other politicians.Last time I checked pakistan defense spending was 3-4% of GDP, no doubt the myth in india is its 103%. The average Indian cares very much so about pakistan. Indian Leaders all ways attempt to block any foreign arms purchases by pakistan.There is a difference between reporting the news and engaging in negative propaganda and gloating which is what the Indian Media is doing.

First - Pakistan defence spending is 13.5% in yr 2011. (So my mistake of carelessly saying one third) - Still 13.5 % is huge amount. Secondly Indian Army will obviously be located where there is biggest threat coming from would that be normal? Obviously there is not much army presence with Bangladesh, Nepal, Burma or Sri Lanka borders? Why do think that? With regards to Indian Media - They are obviously sensationalising a news like any other news ... They do the same with other India events. Pakistan's media is no different. I do not understand where this argument going? Are you trying to say Indian threat is valid?

When did I state this? You can compare Pakistan to the U.K it'll be like comparing Barcelona to Leeds United football club it's just pointless and retarded.

You haven't answered my question, For a country with a corrupt government, Why should we the British taxpayer fund them? The U.S is slashing their aid budget towards them, Why shouldn't the British?

It's the left wing people like you, The reason this country is such a pushover.

I didnt compare Pakistan to the UK, I said just because you dont live in the UK does not mean you live in the stone age. I dont think you are aware of the facts on the ground. Like I said I am against giving Aid and favour cutting farm subsidies

seriously?

say goodbye to your testicles.

I've just seen ongoing news and a 12 year old boy had visited the compound where Osama lived a few times - he knew about Osama and his wives.

A 12 year old local boy knew the whereabouts of Osama.

I have every confidence that Pakistani officials knew.

.British Aid does not go to the Pakistan government but to British Charities.

Incorrect, the aid goes to the government, It's a total waste of money considering 2% of Pakistan's annual budget was spend on education, 2 ****ing percent, And you don't want to cut back, A country that clearly supports terrorism (They knew Bin Laden was living in that house, It's probably the reason he's been undetected for so long)


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/03/politics/main20059255.shtml


So that alone justifies giving them over £600 million?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/03/politics/main20059255.shtml


So that alone justifies giving them over £600 million?

Be real. Please. If any locals had known that Osama was living so close to them, the $25m reward would've been more than sufficient initiative to hand him over. Never mind the fact that many Pakistani citizens have been terrified of taliban bombings for years now - it's a much, much more realistic threat there than in the UK or the US.

The only reason Pakistani officials were hiding/assisting him was to continue getting aid money from the US. The local citizens had no such motives - why would they hide Osama?

At the end of the day, he's just a 12 year old boy being quizzed by international journalists who probably thinks the whole thing is quite cool and that he'll become famous if people think he was buddies with the most wanted man on the planet.