Is communism really bad?

ok, lets just run with your standard politicially correct definition of nazism...........

communism also promoted hatred in the form of class hate. which led to the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.

a wolf on sheeps clothing is not a sheep. surly you can understand that concept.

again, the proof is in the pudding and communism is the most murderous ideology in history. communism lends itself to mass genocide. it is a perfect tool for genocidal maniacs and i am quite shocked that you would dare to defend it.

but, marxism like all religions, blinds the faithful. so maybe i shouldn't expect any less from a fanatic.......

Actually pure communism would mean no state but everything owned by the people. Socialism is everything owned by the state. Feudalism to Capitalism to socialism then onto communism

the communist regimes of the 20th century were the most murderous regimes in human history but somehow you are trying to say that communism is the idea of peace?

It's not a religion, jesus.

It doesn't promote class hatred,... It promotes there being NO class divides.
There is nothing that encourages hatred without communism... It is the dictators that pretended to create communism that caused deaths (because they kept control and forced the country into things they didn't want to do). This is nothing like communism.

If communism were to actually occur, it would have to be in the future, and it would have to be the people making it happen (not the government, because that defeats the entire point).

I can't believe you don't understand this at all.
Communism as a theory does nothing but promote fairness and equality, there's no violence involved.

It still surprises me how people believe communist regimes were genuinely communist (or even tried to be). I have little idea where the notion comes from. The USSR and such labelled themselves communist, as did the privileged elite in the West (who run the media), who wanted to bury the idea of communism (because the democracy inherent in the ideology of communism means that privileged elite loses their privileges) by associating it with dictatorship/Stalinism/etc. But surely people can see past the propaganda on both sides? The only way the USSR differed to the West was that the economy was much more state than market run, but if a state run economy is the opposite of a capitalist one (a free market economy), it doesn't somehow make it socialist/communist. The core of socialism is workers' control of production (in the industrialised state where most of the population are workers, as Marx envisioned); the first thing Lenin and Trotsky did when coming to power, even before the Civil War started, was shut down the workers' soviets in the factories and re-install former managers. The modes of production (the very thing which determined history, according to Marx) remained the same, thus no socialist system could have conceivably been established. To believe otherwise is fantasy; there's a reason why almost all on the Left are so keen to denounce Stalinism, making a point it had nothing to do with Marxism.

It still surprises me how people believe communist regimes were genuinely communist (or even tried to be). I have little idea where the notion comes from. The USSR and such labelled themselves communist, as did the privileged elite in the West (who run the media), who wanted to bury the idea of communism (because the democracy inherent in the ideology of communism means that privileged elite loses their privileges) by associating it with dictatorship/Stalinism/etc. But surely people can see past the propaganda on both sides? The only way the USSR differed to the West was that the economy was much more state than market run, but if a state run economy is the opposite of a capitalist one (a free market economy), it doesn't somehow make it socialist/communist. The core of socialism is workers' control of production (in the industrialised state where most of the population are workers, as Marx envisioned); the first thing Lenin and Trotsky did when coming to power, even before the Civil War started, was shut down the workers' soviets in the factories and re-install former managers. The modes of production (the very thing which determined history, according to Marx) remained the same, thus no socialist system could have conceivably been established. To believe otherwise is fantasy; there's a reason why almost all on the Left are so keen to denounce Stalinism, making a point it had nothing to do with Marxism.

ok, ok, i think i have it..........the soviet union was not communist. it just pretended to be communist so it could give communists a bad name? so was the soviet union really run by secret nazis? and the chinese communists? secret nazis as well?........




i don't really know what to say to someone who is actually attempting to call the most evil ideology in history peaceful and loving. its ludicrous. laughable beyond belief. scary even.


i'm guessing you are getting this claptrap either from a deluded 'comrade' professor or you are reading to many extremist socialist websites. either way, you need to expose yourself to some non biased material on the subject.

I mean, the idea looks really good, but it isn't viable at all.
People naturally take charge, therefore a higher class is automatically formed.
Plus my geography teacher said communists knew how to look after their own.

Communism is well-intentioned at its heart.

It just doesn't work. It's flawed in a ridiculous number of ways.

It's not evil. That's like saying democracy is evil because the Germans voted Hitler in. Humanity has a terrible Murphy's Law trait about it, and no matter how perfect a system is on paper, we'll find a way to f*ck it up. Communism is dangerous because it's especially susceptible to this. It's sort of like a naive child in a bad neighbourhood; it tries to be good, but really it doesn't understand where it is and inevitably will fall in with the wrong crowd. It will be manipulated by bad people for their bad purposes.

. it cannot be forced by flawed theories of man.

ok, ok, i think i have it..........the soviet union was not communist. it just pretended to be communist so it could give communists a bad name? so was the soviet union really run by secret nazis? and the chinese communists? secret nazis as well?........




i don't really know what to say to someone who is actually attempting to call the most evil ideology in history peaceful and loving. its ludicrous. laughable beyond belief. scary even.


i'm guessing you are getting this claptrap either from a deluded 'comrade' professor or you are reading to many extremist socialist websites. either way, you need to expose yourself to some non biased material on the subject.

the problem with marx is that it literally is a religion to its devotees. and like religion everyone has a different interpretation on the scripture.

I suppose I like the idea of common ownership, but it just never turns out the way it's supposed to be. I mean common ownership is supposed to mean more equality, and judging by countries where they had or have communism, you see greater differences in society than with many other ideologies.

Basically the idea is great, it just doesn't work in practice.

^ No country has had or does have communism, that's kinda the point.
I've explained in previous posts (possibly on this page?) why the previous "attempts" failed, and the how it could work sometime in the future (maybe, if things happen this way).

I read your previous post, I understand what you mean. Because seen from the narrow definition of communism, you're right.
But I would still classify countries like China and North Korea as communistic, as would CIA's factbook.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ch.html

And that was what I based my comment on.

Well the CIA aren't exactly the authority on these kinds of things.
If you know what I mean, then you'll understand that you can't use places like China as an example of how "communism" doesn't work because they aren't representing communsim at all.
They may have SOME features from the ideology, but it's not communism itself.

Anyway, I'm off to bed.