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did osama find some just for men? why has his beard changed colour and length?

Why is there just videos of him? why not anyone else there relating to him as osama bin ladin, where are the witnesses who can confirm Osama was there, that he is osama? The CIA should have access to better stuff than this if they've act, This is no more evidence of anything than the videos osama puts out of himself. No new video footage of Osama has been seen since 2007, so over the last four years Osama has been sitting in his mansion, NOT putting out videos and filming himself for his own personal benefit whilst not doing very much at all? I think they'd have been more likely to find a vid of osama tossing himself off or having sexytime with one of his wives if thats the case.

So we are supposed to believe Osama was supposedly living in a mansion, running operations from there while all these short videoclips depict him on his own in what looks like a shack or hole.

Not to mention the fact that Osamas appearance has had a few unexplained changes over the years.

It's not that hard to find dye, considering he had people who would've bought him food and clothing for the last 10 years or so.
Why would there need to be other people in the videos? He is the leader of Al-Qaeda who was on the run, anyone else with him would've been minions who did small work and would've faced being identified and thus getting OBL caught. Or his wives and children and they would've faced being caught too.
No new video has been put out yes, but these videos show that he was rehearsing to put out a new video - which also goes with what the CIA are saying about the intelligence they gathered from the computer which suggests OBL was planning more attacks on America.
There is not much the guy can do - he's the most wanted man in America, did you expect him to take a trip to Disneyland and decorate his house, and have children's toys all over the floor?
The house was built for over $1m dollars in 2005 but that was the cost of the building. That million didn't contain any money for furniture or any other expenses - clearly all he wanted was an actual building.

And what you mean a few unexplained changes in appearance? It's been 10 years, he's been hiding, clearly he hasn't been living comfortably because he's always on the lookout. He probably hasn't seen sun or had any real fresh air in many many years that would age anybody. Reportedly he had a few health problems too. But even then that's a ridiculous claim. People lose their hair at 20 years old, and people go grey at that time too. To suggest that because he had grey hairs is "an unexplainable change in appearance" is actually ridiculous

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Still awaiting real evidence

Such as? What could they release that could convince you he's dead?

(I haven't been following this thread so apologies if you've already said).

Too convenient. These videos are not evidence of anything, like i said no more evidence than the videos he supposedly puts out himself.

My main point. If anyone thought those videos would silence the critics or conspiracy theorists, they are more stupid than they claim the conspiracy theorists to be. Nothing new to see there.

Still awaiting real evidence

did osama find some just for men? why has his beard changed colour and length?

Why is there just videos of him? why not anyone else there relating to him as osama bin ladin, where are the witnesses who can confirm Osama was there, that he is osama? The CIA should have access to better stuff than this if they've actually been in his base, This is no more evidence of anything than the videos osama puts out of himself. No new video footage of Osama has been seen since 2007, so over the last four years Osama has been sitting in his mansion, NOT putting out videos and filming himself for his own personal benefit whilst not doing very much at all? I think they'd have been more likely to find a vid of osama tossing himself off or having sexytime with one of his wives if thats the case.

So we are supposed to believe Osama was supposedly living in a mansion, running operations from there while all these short videoclips depict him on his own in what looks like a shack or hole.

Not to mention the fact that Osamas appearance has had a few unexplained changes over the years.

The video's are evidence that the compound was indeed his, he did actually live there. He was planning some new attacks, and he lived in squalor.

Given the fact that the Navy Seals busted into that same compound in which he was living in and pretty much killed everyone inside - can be seen as evidence that he's dead. It's not enough evidence granted but it's still there.

His wife and daughter being an eye-witness, and them saying that he's died. Plus Al-Qaeda saying that he's died, plus all of the world's leaders saying that he's died. Plus many extremists mourning his death on the streets all over the world - is proof that he's died.

If he wasn't dead, then as easy as it was for those to film him, surely they can film him being alive and release a video of him saying this too?

You say its "too convenient" and it doesnt "do enough to silence the critics" and you're still "awaiting real evidence" - presumably you want to see the man's dead body - you're saying all of this but offering no alternative.
If he isn't dead, despite everyone who knew him saying he died, plus the world's leaders putting their political careers on the line by also saying he's dead - then how did the CIA get this evidence? Where is he now? Who was inside that compound?

You're trying to be too analytical and critical when you don't need to be, you're being excessive and trying to put holes in everything. The man is dead, accept it and move on.

The video's aren't evidence of him being dead no.

The video's are evidence that the compound was indeed his, he did actually live there. He was planning some new attacks, and he lived in squalor.

Given the fact that the Navy Seals busted into that same compound in which he was living in and pretty much killed everyone inside - can be seen as evidence that he's dead. It's not enough evidence granted but it's still there.

His wife and daughter being an eye-witness, and them saying that he's died. Plus Al-Qaeda saying that he's died, plus all of the world's leaders saying that he's died. Plus many extremists mourning his death on the streets all over the world - is proof that he's died.

If he wasn't dead, then as easy as it was for those to film him, surely they can film him being alive and release a video of him saying this too?

You say its "too convenient" and it doesnt "do enough to silence the critics" and you're still "awaiting real evidence" - presumably you want to see the man's dead body - you're saying all of this but offering no alternative.
If he isn't dead, despite everyone who knew him saying he died, plus the world's leaders putting their political careers on the line by also saying he's dead - then how did the CIA get this evidence? Where is he now? Who was inside that compound?

You're trying to be too analytical and critical when you don't need to be, you're being excessive and trying to put holes in everything. The man is dead, accept it and move on.

Its funny that the one organisation that actually has an interest in this all being fake is the one that has admitted to him being dead.

Al Qaeda ring any bells?

Hold on just a minute... this is like concluding that global warming exists because of witnessing a whole day of torrential rain. The videos aren't evidence to anything, the videos were allegedly found inside the compound, that doesn't prove that the compound was his right? Unless I'm missing something. What possesses you to claim that he was planning some new attacks after watching these audioless videos?

No, we won't accept it as you want to because these are issues which are important to us. If you want to accept it then do so without debating it with other people.

No thats not how things work, you've reasoned this all very nicely, to yourself that is.

Did you watch the video clips? they are a few seconds and don't even seem to have sound? are you mad? theres no real evidence of anything.

Heres a hint: A court of law wouldn't be buying any of this trash, not that a court or legitimate investigative team will ever fairly be able to look into this, so why YOU argue as an authority of what i or anyone else believe is a mystery.

A few problems here:

Lack of credible witnesses
Lack of body
Lack of murder weapons
etc it goes on and on

A court of law would have a hard time proving anything here. But heyy THOSE ARE ONLY FOR YOU AND ME, not the US government...... don't you think, given that Osama has been hunted for years, that the US government have been critisized for years about this whole shennanigan, that the whole war in afghanistan was supposedly based on his whereabouts, that he was supposedly such a significant character and creative force in the september 11th plots, that he has supposedly been planning more terrorist attacks.... don't you think given these circumstances that the US actually had an interest in preserving Osama's life? That they actually had an OBLIGATION to assuage the concerns of their citizens....this isn't the first time concerns have been raised, the bad handling of the situation

Why kill Osama himself and then go around trying to piece things together with some crappy 10 second video clips you found? On the one hand we hear about how Osama was so careful, secretive that no one knows whats going with him and yet when the US gets the chance they are not even interested in him himself....what the hell is guantanamo for? presumably that place exists because there are people in the world they want to take in alive....question: why didn't they want Osama.

You don't get to knowingly and blatantly commit murder, destroy evidence and give misleading information to a judge/jury and get away with it.....and yet all people want is proof of Osamas existance and death as it has been described by the Americans. Imagine a court that would let you get away with murder provided you simply gave them the evidence.......I do not i believe i ask for too much.

The video's aren't evidence of him being dead no.

The video's are evidence that the compound was indeed his, he did actually live there. He was planning some new attacks, and he lived in squalor.

Given the fact that the Navy Seals busted into that same compound in which he was living in and pretty much killed everyone inside - can be seen as evidence that he's dead. It's not enough evidence granted but it's still there.

His wife and daughter being an eye-witness, and them saying that he's died. Plus Al-Qaeda saying that he's died, plus all of the world's leaders saying that he's died. Plus many extremists mourning his death on the streets all over the world - is proof that he's died.

If he wasn't dead, then as easy as it was for those to film him, surely they can film him being alive and release a video of him saying this too?

You say its "too convenient" and it doesnt "do enough to silence the critics" and you're still "awaiting real evidence" - presumably you want to see the man's dead body - you're saying all of this but offering no alternative.
If he isn't dead, despite everyone who knew him saying he died, plus the world's leaders putting their political careers on the line by also saying he's dead - then how did the CIA get this evidence? Where is he now? Who was inside that compound?

You're trying to be too analytical and critical when you don't need to be, you're being excessive and trying to put holes in everything. The man is dead, accept it and move on.

So wait, NO ONE new where Osama was until the Americans find him, kill him and destroy his body.....then all of a sudden they are experts and know that Osama is dead?? When someone dies in UK the relatives usually like to see the body before they even believe they are dead...

It didn't matter what these people thought before he was dead, but now hes dead it matters? I think you'd be surprised how many people that are "confirming" things and putting "their careers on the line" are getting fed info straight from the US gov just like we are. Funny These people weren't risking there career looking for Osama, making guesses as to or actually finding his whereabouts, they didn't have a clue then, but now Osamas dead and theres no body they all seem to know that hes dead....hmmmm

His wife and children aren't credible witnesses?
Everybody else was killed - with pictures.
Lack of murder weapons? You mean what the navy seals would've had? Why would that prove anything.


Listen to yourself.
If they had kept OBL alive - what would they do with him? Take him to trial? You're mentioning the court of law, but any trial that would've taken place wouldn't have been fair or just. OBL would have clearly been found as guilty.
What next? Is he executed? How? Who would execute him? Would the execution have been shown on television? Then where would they bury his body? Normal American civilians celebrated his death, many happy that he died - if they buried him in America it's very likely that there would have been some who would've visited his place of rest, and done whatever they like, burn it, dig him up etc. That's a real possibility. If not, then Al-Qaeda would probably be enraged that their leader's body was in American soil and would've taken revenge in the worst of ways. If they didn't bury in America - then where would they have buried him? Saudi Arabia rejected his body when America gave them the chance, but even if we take the hypothetical situation that Saudi Arabia DID take this body after he had been executed then surely it would be even worse to take the man to trial, find him guilty, kill him, then fly him back to Saudi Arabia. That would be absolutely ridiculous. But if America had taken OBL alive, then what other alternatives could they do?

If they didn't kill him and kept him alive - the cost of security and keeping him alive, and making sure he had basic civil rights - at the expense of American tax-payers would have caused an outrage, the costs of security alone would be too much. Also surely it would give Al-Qaeda incentive to try and get him out of jail? Or get their revenge?

You're not thinking practically.
Yes there are a person's human rights to be observed, and there are rules in the court of law. But there are always exceptional circumstances and OBL would've certainly been one of the most exceptional circumstances.