Modern Muslim at Uni .....

Can completely relate

And if anyone is thinking of telling me I shouldn't be questioning what is written in the Quran, go away right now. It is through questioning that understanding is born, and it is through understanding that belief is born.

To everyone who has promoted the rules of Islam in this thread, I would like even one of you, to explain to me in detail why any one of the aforementioned forbidden things are actually forbidden.

It is not enough to have a do's and don'ts list.

And if anyone is thinking of telling me I shouldn't be questioning what is written in the Quran, go away right now. It is through questioning that understanding is born, and it is through understanding that belief is born.

Such as? You've got to be a bit more specific

Ok here's one. Why is it forbidden to drink alcohol?

I'm asking because it is very easy to tell someone off for doing something wrong, but not so easy to explain why it's wrong. And to blindly follow a rule without seeking to learn the reasoning and knowledge behind it is almost as ignorant as not following the rule. And we both know what Islam says about ignorance.

Essentially, I will have a lot more respect for someone that is well-learned in their faith. And also think the OP will benefit from it.

It's like if I tell you not to eat chocolate. Yeah sure, if you trust my judgement you may try not to. But then if your doctor tells you you are allergic to chocolate and explains the harmful effects of it to you, then you are going to be a lot more astute in refraining from it. In fact, probably not even going to be tempted.

In the same way, it is not enough for people just to say to the OP that he must not drink etc. This is what I was referring to when I said it is not enough to have a list of do's and don'ts.

To everyone who has promoted the rules of Islam in this thread, I would like even one of you, to explain to me in detail why any one of the aforementioned forbidden things are actually forbidden.

It is not enough to have a do's and don'ts list.

And if anyone is thinking of telling me I shouldn't be questioning what is written in the Quran, go away right now. It is through questioning that understanding is born, and it is through understanding that belief is born.

Just admit it, muslums cant have fun because they are restricted by thier opressive religion. You envy a catholic lifestyle. A fun day for muslims would be hanging about in a car park with other muslims comparing engine sizes of thier honda civics

I assume that the typical muslim, has strict parents, along with high expectations of thier son. Do a degree for honour.......to prevent honour killing. My parents will support me in any thing i do, and no i have no need to impress no one. I have no burden unlike the muslim, also when u finished ur degree its typical next stage will be arrianged wedding.

Ok here's one. Why is it forbidden to drink alcohol?

I'm asking because it is very easy to tell someone off for doing something wrong, but not so easy to explain why it's wrong. And to blindly follow a rule without seeking to learn the reasoning and knowledge behind it is almost as ignorant as not following the rule. And we both know what Islam says about ignorance.

Essentially, I will have a lot more respect for someone that is well-learned in their faith. And also think the OP will benefit from it.

It's like if I tell you not to eat chocolate. Yeah sure, if you trust my judgement you may try not to. But then if your doctor tells you you are allergic to chocolate and explains the harmful effects of it to you, then you are going to be a lot more astute in refraining from it. In fact, probably not even going to be tempted.

In the same way, it is not enough for people just to say to the OP that he must not drink etc. This is what I was referring to when I said it is not enough to have a list of do's and don'ts.

I respect all aspects of my religion and think that there aren't any flaws with it ... I also respect everyone on my uni course who obviously do things that islam doesn't accept e.g consuming alcohol, casual sex etc ... These people are even my friends along with my muslim friends as I believe when living in such a diverse society there is definitely a need to integrate ... Problem is that I respect my values and don't drink, which is much of what uni culture is about ... believe it or not my muslim friends are all out there also which leaves me standing in such an awkward position .. I mean is clubbing, boozing, casual sex etc the only thing people have in common to talk about 80% of the time... What do you do in such a situation? You obv do get an urge to go out clubbing etc but my conscious wont let me because i kow its wrong.... This thread is by no means to hate on Islam (it doesn't promote killings and terror) etc .. Its simply here to show that there are muslims who are modern and banterful just not out there drinking like the rest .. This is what I believe seperates cultural differences .... Any advice would be great ... And btw I amn't a very religous person .. i just respect the values that i have learned from islam ...

I respect all aspects of my religion and think that there aren't any flaws with it ... I also respect everyone on my uni course who obviously do things that islam doesn't accept e.g consuming alcohol, casual sex etc ... These people are even my friends along with my muslim friends as I believe when living in such a diverse society there is definitely a need to integrate ... Problem is that I respect my values and don't drink, which is much of what uni culture is about ... believe it or not my muslim friends are all out there also which leaves me standing in such an awkward position .. I mean is clubbing, boozing, casual sex etc the only thing people have in common to talk about 80% of the time... What do you do in such a situation? You obv do get an urge to go out clubbing etc but my conscious wont let me because i kow its wrong.... This thread is by no means to hate on Islam (it doesn't promote killings and terror) etc .. Its simply here to show that there are muslims who are modern and banterful just not out there drinking like the rest .. This is what I believe seperates cultural differences .... Any advice would be great ... And btw I amn't a very religous person .. i just respect the values that i have learned from islam ...

Ok, so I've read through a fair number of comments so far before deciding to answer myself. There are two main ways to look at your situation.

1) Avoid the temptation as you're doing completely. If you have any qualms about going clubbing then don't go. To be honest it seems like you're thinking about going more because you don't want to be left out than anything else. If you think there's a serious chance you could sin then avoid it. As for your friends, you don't have to be attached to the hip for you to remain friends. Go out to restaurants, the cinema or whatever other activities your city offers. But when they go clubbing just stay in, meet up with your friends who don't go clubbing or whatever else you feel like doing. When they're talking about something and you feel left out you can either join in by asking them about certain events or just change the subject to something you've done or whatever's in the news (I don't know what your interests are:P).

2) Go clubbing and see what the fuss is all about so that you don't feel left out. If you absolutely feel terrible about it, why not ask some Muslim friends to come along with you and you can support each other? There are a lot of things about western society that don't really correlate with Islam- however integrating does not mean that you are sinning. in saying that, grinding against a drunken girl isn't the solution either. It's all about moderation. Don't cut yourself off from western culture but remember there are things within the culture that you can participate in without harming your deen. The flaw with this option is that chances are you will probably still feel left out, because the clubbing experience for a drunk person is far greater than that of a sober one.

I am a Muslim girl but I've been clubbing. I only really went because people pressured me into it just because they wanted me to be around so they had good intentions. Anyway, I was dressed modestly and I didn't really dance at all, just sort of bobbed around like a weirdo. I avoided the larger crowds and basically just made conversation with a couple of people I'd never met before. Of course didn't drink. It was a thrilling experience because it was my first time, but I soon lost interest. My friends are still my friends, they haven't left me out because I don't go clubbing with them at all. My parents wanted me to try clubbing so that I could understand for myself why it was wrong in Islam. I'm glad I had the experience but then again I've never been even slightly tempted by alcohol. I don't like the smell or it's effect. If ever I felt tempted I just looked at the closest girl with her privates on show and dignity at home and those temptations quickly fizzled.

I hope I've sort of made myself clear. You know the Islamic rules, you know your limits, it's completely your decision.

I was with a half Asian half Persian girl. She is Muslim and she was there letting me such her **ts and all sorts. She goes clubbing and drinks a lot. Live your life mate, even the Saudi princes sleep with escorts, and have drug fuelled parties.

Islam teaches us that God has given us the gift of life and health and therefore we should respect our health and body.

1. => Alcohol can lead to numerous health problems

Such as cardiovascular disease, malabsorption, chronic pancreatitis, cirrosis of the liver , cancer and lots more. Now whilst these are more associated with 'heavy' alcohol consumption the Qu'ran also knows alcohol has health benefits but says

"They ask you regarding wine and gambling. Say, in both of them is major sin, and there is some benefit for men, but the sin of them is far greater than benefit". [2:219]


2. Alcohol is a waste of money and is a depressant.

"Spend your wealth in the Way of Allah and do not cast yourselves into ruin with your own hands" (2:195)

This is further justifying that alcohol is bad as it is saying you should be wise with your money and spend it in good ways (in the Way of Allah) i.e. charitable causes and helping out those who really need help. As opposed to getting drunk for your own personal desire - which being a depressant can also 'cast you into ruin'.

It being a waste of money is further backed up by the economics of alcohol. Its a demerit good which costs the nhs £3bn per year. £3bn!!!!!!!!. Of course this only the monetary cost of alcohol, ignoring all the wrecked families and lives. Think how many hungry children or families that £3bn could feed.


3. It can lead to worse sins like premaritial sex

The famous 'beer goggles' term applies here => alcohol turns you into a horny dog and increases your sex drive and makes you want to have sex with anyone. Of course premaritial sex (zina) is one of the worst sins (I can also give you the reasoning for this) but im sure you allready know why.



4. Muslims are required to pray 5 times a day and you can't pray and be under the influence

The effects of alcohol last quite a long time and since prayer times are only a few hours apart, you can't drink and pray. Why not? Would you really want to be a messy drunk in front of the creator of the universe? You don't have a clear mind when your drunk either so how can you be genuine in your worship?


Would you like more? Or do you have any questions?

Kl story .. Sort your life out ... If the saudi princess truned lesbian would that mean u start taking it up the ass?

Lol, do not follow them. I follow my own life mate, to be honest; I find those who proclaim faith to be some of the biggest hypocrites. Life is a funny thing.

Good reply ... Think you and I are on the same wavelength .. What you have said to me tbh is what I basically already know though .. I know how to deal with it also .. I was just putting it out there ...