Ireland. british or irish?

The Good Friday Agreement represents a vindication of those who oppose violent Republicanism and who suggest that the UK state is somehow illegitimate by Irish nationalist standards. The people of Ireland don't back them, accept that the United Kingdom exists and believe that Irish unification can only occur on the basis of a majority vote of the people of Northern Ireland.



Really? Did the Tories who fought for Confederate Ireland against Cromwell not understand the sensibilities of Irish history? Or those who opposed the deposing of James II/VII? Or in the modern day, the likes of Lord Trimble, who has won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland?

I am proudly anti-Nationalist - and believe it or not, that applies to the equally nationalistic orange-tinged bunch to the north as much as anyone else.

You seriously must have nothing to do if your checking online what college I attend. By the way it's the best one in Cork and basically a route to uni if you do not want to repeat your exams so gloat in the mirror to yourself. yes studied Irish history, It's called the leaving certificate by the way, you know the more advanced version of the A-levels??

The Good Friday Agreement represents a vindication of those who oppose violent Republicanism and who suggest that the UK state is somehow illegitimate by Irish nationalist standards. The people of Ireland don't back them, accept that the United Kingdom exists and believe that Irish unification can only occur on the basis of a majority vote of the people of Northern Ireland.



Really? Did the Tories who fought for Confederate Ireland against Cromwell not understand the sensibilities of Irish history? Or those who opposed the deposing of James II/VII? Or in the modern day, the likes of Lord Trimble, who has won the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland?

I am proudly anti-Nationalist - and believe it or not, that applies to the equally nationalistic orange-tinged bunch to the north as much as anyone else.

so my ex boyfriend was from the north of ireland..and viewed himself as irish (he catholic) and he tried to explain the division between protestants (british) and catholic (irish) in northern ireland.and it seemed all a bit confusing. why does it really matter what religion you are?...noone cares anywhere else...and since geographically people who are from ireland live on irish land (especially since its an island aswell)..shouldnt they then be seen as irish?....also whenever i speak about norther ireland..my ex used to flinch..cos he'd ask me 'whats the difference between being northern irish and irish? we're all irish.' so i always refer to people from northern ireland..as irish people who live in the north. just cos i dont wanna create conflict with anyone who feels strongly about the subject.views?

It took two seconds to check your profile - if you're not capable of taking the initiative to challenge someone else's claims, then you really shouldn't bother coming onto a debating forum. Anyway, I didn't even realise you'd only studied it at secondary level. Even if you'd done it to degree level at Trinity, I wouldn't have given a ****: you were wrong.

Telling me that I'm a English fool and thus incapable of understanding Irish history is nothing short of racism. We don't stand for that here. I'm not English either: I'm was born in Canada, raised in Scotland and am British. Yes, I do think - given what you've said - that I know more about Irish history, or am at least better at contextualising it - than you. If your only argument about that is my ethnic origins, then you'll be laughed out of this place faster than the ones who think the Queen is secretly Jewish and that reptilian people control the banking system.

Technically A-Levels are more advanced, since they are more indepth as opposed to the Leaving's system of more subjects, less indepth. Your crappy point is moot anyway, since Lib would have done Scottish Highers.

I would not call Leaving Cert history a thorough grounding in Irish history by any means. For a start, it starts in 1860 and ends before the Troubles. There IS an earlier course but very few schools do it. I have studied four years of Irish history in Trinity- 500- 2003ish, I can tell you there are massive important gaps in Irish history taught in schools in general as well as the Leaving. They need to focus less on Hitler and Stalin- overkill. Lib has a great understanding of Irish history, he just has a different slant to it. No need to be downright abusive to someone of a different opinion.

I am not trying to be abusive and fair enough i can't argue with someone who studied at trinity. I just have a different understanding to it obviously like you said we were not taught everything. But from what we were thought is where my opinion comes from and most of the countries. I am allowed to be a 'republican' so to speak, that is just the way I feel.

It's called the leaving certificate by the way, you know the more advanced version of the A-levels?

Fair enough, and it is a fact that Irish history reads like 'and then Britain did this bad thing..then this...then this'. I would just be reluctant to associate any of it with Britain itself today and in our lifetime.