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Edexcel A2 Biology Unit 5 (6BIO5) - 22/06/2011- OFFICIAL THREAD !

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Original post by InItToWinItGetIt?
Ah ok, I'll do that then. Do you remember if they asked a lot of synoptic stuff for Unit 4? Our school decided to make us sit both exams in June :colone:

And thanks :smile:


Ummm not sure about unit 4 (But don't count on me being correct, my memory has become clouded since it's a year since I sat the paper!) But I remember topics from units 1 & 2 being mentioned in unit 5 paper!
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any1 got the janurary 2011 paper???
Original post by thecdon
Ummm not sure about unit 4 (But don't count on me being correct, my memory has become clouded since it's a year since I sat the paper!) But I remember topics from units 1 & 2 being mentioned in unit 5 paper!


Did you revise AS stuff for the exam?
Original post by InItToWinItGetIt?
Did you revise AS stuff for the exam?


i think just a general appreciation of the AS content should be good... i dont think a thorough revision of AS will be of benefit... it will be more of a waste of time tbh...

you should definitely know the things in the synoptic article that refer directly to the AS content... gene therapy and atherosclerosis and clinical trials are the things that jump to my mind straight away
Original post by chemdweeb1234
i think just a general appreciation of the AS content should be good... i dont think a thorough revision of AS will be of benefit... it will be more of a waste of time tbh...

you should definitely know the things in the synoptic article that refer directly to the AS content... gene therapy and atherosclerosis and clinical trials are the things that jump to my mind straight away


Yeah that's a good plan. In our unit 4 mock there was a question on structure of cellulose and I was like 'oh crap :colone:' and hence have always worried about them asking AS stuff in detail.
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Original post by InItToWinItGetIt?

Original post by InItToWinItGetIt?
Does anyone know what the mark scheme answer for the meaning of ''myogenic'' is? :smile:

I know it's that the heart contracts by itself without outside stimulation, but often with these definitions they want it worded in a particular way :colone:


i remember it saying for 2 marks
1 for contract without external nervous stimulation
and 2 for causes its own depolarisation (via SAN)
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Original post by chemdweeb1234

Original post by chemdweeb1234
Well

I'll start with the resting membrane potential

RESTING MEMBRANE POTENTIAL
A neurone that is not conducting an impulse is said to be at rest. However, this is slightly wrong because the neurone is not "actually resting". It is actively maintaining a potential difference across it...(actively meaning by the use of ATP)

so the key points for when the membrane is at rest:

1) there are MORE sodium ions outside neurone than inside
2) there are MORE potassium ions inside neurone than outside
3) there are also negative proteins and chloride ions inside the neurone
4) this causes the inside to be negative with respect to the outside
5) There is a potential difference across the membrane... this is said as "the membrane is polarised"
6) this potential difference is maintained because of the uneven distribution of ions across the membrane... which is maintained by the Na/K pump
7) This, consequently depends on the PERMEABILITY of the membrane to ions
8) At rest, the membrane is permeable to potassium ions and impermeable to sodium ions...
9) The Na/K pump actively pumps out 3 Na ions and brings in 2 K ions against their concentration gradients...
10) Since the membrane is more permeable to K, these can move back out down their concentration gradient through Potassium Ion Channels
11) Some potassium will also be attracted back into the neurone (to balance the charge)... this is said as the K ions move down the electrochemical gradient...
12) Eventually, a dynamic equilibrium is reached between the conc. gradient and electrochemical gradients...

When this equilibrium is reached... the potential difference is -70mV ... and it stays like that because the dynamic equilibrium means no net movement of ions


do you really need to know this much detail for a resting potential, its only like one specification point.... i would have thought it to be more imprtant to remember how an AP is triggered (depolarisation, repolarisation and hyperpolarisation)
also im really worried that my teacher has not taught me everything, i looked in the snab book and there is a whole page on spatial and temproal summation ( i have no idea what this is can someone explain please???? thanks)
Hi,
in the article they mention epo production leading to more red blood cells and i wanted to make sure I understand how this occurs is it like this:

- epo binds to receptor on red blood celll presur cell membrane in the bone marrow
- activates a second messenger in the cytoplasm of the cell
- which activates a transcription factor
- which then binds with the RNA polymerase to the promoter region
- which increases transcription and translation
- producing mRNA, then complentary tRNA anticodon bind to codon, peptide bonds form
- leads to signal protein
- which stimulates differentiation of stem cells
- so they become specialised - more red blood cells
??

Thank you! just want to make sure i really understand this part!
Original post by PsyChris
do you really need to know this much detail for a resting potential, its only like one specification point.... i would have thought it to be more imprtant to remember how an AP is triggered (depolarisation, repolarisation and hyperpolarisation)
also im really worried that my teacher has not taught me everything, i looked in the snab book and there is a whole page on spatial and temproal summation ( i have no idea what this is can someone explain please???? thanks)


summation is basically the idea of adding a lot of weak transmissions together to reach the threshold needed to produce an AP

Spatial is when several different synapses arrive, usually from different neurones, each bulb releases neurotransmitter which builds up to reach the threshold amount so an AP can be produced.

temporal is when the several synapses travel alobg the same neurone one after the other each releasing neurontransmitter as it reaches the postsynaptic neurone, the second synapse arrives before the neurotransmitter from the last one al; breaks down so it leads to a build up to reach threshold amount to produce sufficient depolarisation leading to AP.

overall summation is the idea all synapses combine to reach sufficient depolarisation.
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Original post by tkoki1993

Original post by tkoki1993
thanks


i was going to ask, i read something about ATP synthase, do the protons H+ or the electron provide the energy to combine ADP and Pi to form ATP?or does this enzyme do this (or does it catalyse this reaction)?
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Original post by darkiee

Original post by darkiee
Help Please,

Explain how variation in ventilation and cardiac output enable rapid delivery of tissues and the removal of carbondioxide from them, Including how the heart rate and ventilation rate are controlled and the roles of cardiovascular centre and the ventilation centre

This is on the syllabus and i dont understand it,

Can someone please explain it in depth.

Thanks


me too please thanks
Original post by PsyChris
do you really need to know this much detail for a resting potential, its only like one specification point.... i would have thought it to be more imprtant to remember how an AP is triggered (depolarisation, repolarisation and hyperpolarisation)
also im really worried that my teacher has not taught me everything, i looked in the snab book and there is a whole page on spatial and temproal summation ( i have no idea what this is can someone explain please???? thanks)


Here is the summation from my notes :smile:


A single excitatory synapse may not release sufficient neurotransmitter to depolarise the post-synaptic membrane to threshold potential. However, the effects of impulses can be added together. The fact that impulses add to the effects of each other is called summation. There are two types of summation:

Spatial summation: if two or more excitatory impulses arrive at a synapse at the same time, their effect will be combined and the post-synaptic neurone will be more likely to be depolarised. This is because there are two or more neurones that are releasing the neurotransmitter.

Temporal summation: if the frequency of impulses from one neurone is high (i.e. several action potentials arrive close, one after the other), there will be more neurotransmitter released and the effects are added together. This makes it more likely that threshold potential will be reached.
Original post by monkeyytastic
Hi,
in the article they mention epo production leading to more red blood cells and i wanted to make sure I understand how this occurs is it like this:

- epo binds to receptor on red blood celll presur cell membrane in the bone marrow
- activates a second messenger in the cytoplasm of the cell
- which activates a transcription factor through a cascade reaction
- which then binds with the RNA polymerase to the promoter region transcription factors bind to the promoter region of the DNA and if they are activators they allow the RNA polymerase to attach onto the promoter
- which increases transcription and translation
- producing mRNA, then complentary tRNA anticodon bind to codon, peptide bonds form
- leads to signal protein i think better to say leads to production of proteins from active genes ... it is unlikely to be one protein
- which stimulates differentiation of stem cells by causing permanent changes
- so they become specialised - more red blood cells
??

Thank you! just want to make sure i really understand this part!


seems good overall :smile:
Original post by PsyChris
me too please thanks


Here is my notes for that specification point... hope its useful...



During exercise, the frequency of muscle contractions increases and thus to provide the ATP requirements for this, the rate of aerobic respiration will need to increase. For this to occur there needs to be a rapid delivery of oxygen to the muscles and rapid removal of carbon dioxide.
The body responds to these changes of exercise by increasing the cardiac output and the depth and rate of breathing.


Cardiac Output

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Ventilation Rate

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Original post by monkeyytastic
Hi,
in the article they mention epo production leading to more red blood cells and i wanted to make sure I understand how this occurs is it like this:

- epo binds to receptor on red blood celll presur cell membrane in the bone marrow
- activates a second messenger in the cytoplasm of the cell
- which activates a transcription factor
- which then binds with the RNA polymerase to the promoter region
- which increases transcription and translation
- producing mRNA, then complentary tRNA anticodon bind to codon, peptide bonds form
- leads to signal protein
- which stimulates differentiation of stem cells
- so they become specialised - more red blood cells
??


Thank you! just want to make sure i really understand this part!


Seems good. Do we need to write the bit in italics? ^

This is what i have in my notes :smile:

4. Explain how EPO has an effect on cells
EPO is a peptide hormone that increases the production of enzymes needed for RBC (erythrocytes) synthesis
binds to a receptor on the cell-surface membrane
this complex activates a 2nd messenger in the cell cytoplasm
which triggers a protein kinase cascade which results in the activation of several proteins
until the final product enters the nucleus and acts as a transcription factor
this transcription factor binds to promoter regions of a gene
revealing the RNA polymerase binding site and allowing RNA polymerase to bind to DNA and start transcription of enzymes needed for RBC synthesis
Original post by InItToWinItGetIt?
Seems good. Do we need to write the bit in italics? ^

This is what i have in my notes :smile:

4. Explain how EPO has an effect on cells
EPO is a peptide hormone that increases the production of enzymes needed for RBC (erythrocytes) synthesis
binds to a receptor on the cell-surface membrane
this complex activates a 2nd messenger in the cell cytoplasm
which triggers a protein kinase cascade which results in the activation of several proteins
until the final product enters the nucleus and acts as a transcription factor
this transcription factor binds to promoter regions of a gene
revealing the RNA polymerase binding site and allowing RNA polymerase to bind to DNA and start transcription of enzymes needed for RBC synthesis


Thank you :smile: um not sure but in the article it mentions stem cells and things, and says manufactore red blood cells rather than simply proteins so thought it might need to be in :smile:
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Original post by monkeyytastic

Original post by monkeyytastic
summation is basically the idea of adding a lot of weak transmissions together to reach the threshold needed to produce an AP

Spatial is when several different synapses arrive, usually from different neurones, each bulb releases neurotransmitter which builds up to reach the threshold amount so an AP can be produced.

temporal is when the several synapses travel alobg the same neurone one after the other each releasing neurontransmitter as it reaches the postsynaptic neurone, the second synapse arrives before the neurotransmitter from the last one al; breaks down so it leads to a build up to reach threshold amount to produce sufficient depolarisation leading to AP.

overall summation is the idea all synapses combine to reach sufficient depolarisation.


WOAH what a quick reply!? cheers mate this is really helpful
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Original post by chemdweeb1234

Original post by chemdweeb1234
Here is my notes for that specification point... hope its useful...



During exercise, the frequency of muscle contractions increases and thus to provide the ATP requirements for this, the rate of aerobic respiration will need to increase. For this to occur there needs to be a rapid delivery of oxygen to the muscles and rapid removal of carbon dioxide.
The body responds to these changes of exercise by increasing the cardiac output and the depth and rate of breathing.


Cardiac Output

Spoiler



Ventilation Rate

Spoiler



wow :O you guys are truelly amazing, i could kiss you. you cannot believe how grateful i am for this. thank you so much
Hey this is really amazing!you seems to have to clear answers.
Have you done like this for each point of specificatin?
Could I have a copy of your notes?:frown:)
Original post by PsyChris
wow :O you guys are truelly amazing, i could kiss you. you cannot believe how grateful i am for this. thank you so much
Original post by Maria1234
Hey this is really amazing!you seems to have to clear answers.
Have you done like this for each point of specificatin?
Could I have a copy of your notes?:frown:)


i'm almost done with my notes.... have 5 specification points left :smile: will try and put em soon... am gonna do physics from tomorrow tho... physics on monday ... if you have anything specific ill put em up now

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