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Reply 560
Original post by Cinamon
It's ok, you can't pretend to be doing well just because everyone else is doing really well. I'm here, i'm the same. Please don't self harm unless you absoloutely have to, there is obviously something inside of you telling you not to do it, so trying to focus on that. It's not a good way to start coping - I know that too well hun.

here for you x


:'( thankyou it means a lot,

i don't want to hurt myself but i don't want to be here anymore, i don't know whats its like to feel happy anymore

i just look at myself and i feel ashamed im a mess and everything in my life relects that, i used to actually have a chance at a future now i just feel like i'm settling for something else all the time, i don't feel like i'll ever be happy and i feel like i'm only alive because i'm too scared to hurt my parents.

it sounds stupid but its like i sit in my room and just look at the mess, all the food wrappers of today bowls and paper that started off as revision and is now just thrown all over the room, all the tracksuit bottoms and pjs which smell like sick its disgusting, im disgusting and such a failure :'(
Reply 561
Original post by Cinamon
It's ok, you can't pretend to be doing well just because everyone else is doing really well. I'm here, i'm the same. Please don't self harm unless you absoloutely have to, there is obviously something inside of you telling you not to do it, so trying to focus on that. It's not a good way to start coping - I know that too well hun.

here for you x


also what are you going to do? are you going to talk to people about how you feel or hope that it'll just pass?

xx
Reply 562
Original post by squiff93
:'( thankyou it means a lot,

i don't want to hurt myself but i don't want to be here anymore, i don't know whats its like to feel happy anymore

i just look at myself and i feel ashamed im a mess and everything in my life relects that, i used to actually have a chance at a future now i just feel like i'm settling for something else all the time, i don't feel like i'll ever be happy and i feel like i'm only alive because i'm too scared to hurt my parents.

it sounds stupid but its like i sit in my room and just look at the mess, all the food wrappers of today bowls and paper that started off as revision and is now just thrown all over the room, all the tracksuit bottoms and pjs which smell like sick its disgusting, im disgusting and such a failure :'(


Nope, you are not a failure, you are ill. You are really ill and you need help. Your parents aren't important right now - you are. Please please get some professional help. Everything you are feeling is not you, it's your illness, your ED - and as other people have shown, with a little help, ED can be beaten.

You do have a chance of a future, no matter how bad it is at the moment. There is help out there, but you have to go get it xx

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Original post by Cinamon

Original post by Cinamon

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Right, let me say this again to everyone: **** weight. Seriously, weight is one symptom among many of the evil disease loads of us on here are suffering from. I don't care if you're 50lbs or 500lbs, an eating disorder is an eating disorder. You will be taken seriously by the doctors and it is imperative that you try to go and see them. Life with an ED is horrible and you need the help and support of people qualified to do just that in order to get better and live a happy, healthy and beautiful life.
Reply 564
thanks, and its true about the self harm, i wrote the word fat on my wrist as a spur of the moment thing a while ago and it was stupid, i was so paranoid about it and it reminded me so far after the moment about how bad i felt. its just when your wound up things like that seem like such good ideas eventhough it was a pretty stupid idea :blushing:

Original post by Cinamon
Nope, you are not a failure, you are ill. You are really ill and you need help. Your parents aren't important right now - you are. Please please get some professional help. Everything you are feeling is not you, it's your illness, your ED - and as other people have shown, with a little help, ED can be beaten.

You do have a chance of a future, no matter how bad it is at the moment. There is help out there, but you have to go get it xx

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i gave on up on the help because it made me feel so uncomfortable i just thought i could do it on my own and i didn't believe i was as bad as they were saying, i just thought she was a bit of a drama queen and trying to use scare tactics which didn't work.

i realise its a hard time for you aswell and i'm here for you to :smile:

i feel so pathetic i really want to crawl up and die somewhere
Reply 565
Everyone has those terrible days when they feel bad about themselves... disgusted, even. Hell, today I'm lighter than I was yesterday inexplicably but still feel like today's a "disgusting day". But you plough on through it. As Aemiliana states, you shouldn't focus on that number, despite it being absolutely your sole drive.

But is it YOUR sole drive, or the ED's sole drive? I think you know the answer. You're just a puppet living the ED's life.

I will say this again - healing your body is a PRECURSOR to healing your mind. You NEED to heal your body by eating and nourishing your body and brain before your mind can even begin to FATHOM having the strength to combat the demon that lives in there.

Think of it as gathering the weapons, strength, items and experience required to finally storm the castle and defeat the monster that resides there. Without fortifying yourself, you're just a vulnerable, naked, frail entity taking on a demon that, up until this point, has completely dominated and overwhelmed your entire existence...
Mum's tipped me over the edge. I have done nothing wrong yet I get accused of being sneaky etc what is wrong with her? :sad:
souldoubt WELL DONE on the meal :biggrin:

i've had a surprisingly good day! no tears at all and i didn't even stress too much. yes i'm eating more than i'd like and that makes me angry but it's what i have to do so i might as well suck it up and do it. it's not going to cause me permanent damage. there's a chance my head will shift so weighing more can be acceptable. i will give my head every encouragement i can to move towards that place despite feeling i 'should' want to be <13 again and that i'm a fake for wanting to push forwards.

this week in ward round i am going to ask to come off the 24hr obs. i'm not too sure how long i'll be able to stay here (funding... I'm costing the PCT £1000/day when on 24hr obs and when i come OFF the obs it'll still be £500/day) and in terms of managing things post-discharge i think it's more important that i learn to tolerate difficult feelings and keep myself safe, rather than just bumping up my MP under constant supervision.. it will be HARD but a CHALLENGE and i'm UP for another challenge :biggrin:.

I get weighed tomorrow though and I can tell I've gained. My boobs are bigger :frown: and my upper arms are bigger :frown:. I should be able to get out the damn wheelchair though :smile:
Original post by squiff93
also what are you going to do? are you going to talk to people about how you feel or hope that it'll just pass?

xx


Squiff, don't SI, please. I've a friend who can go months without doing it, but when something tips her over the edge, she proper goes for it,*

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We've had quite nice weather recently and shes HAD to wear long sleeved t-shirts or a cardi because of her arms. She darent not too, epecially when we've got German, if he sees her arms, that'll certainly be a phonecall home about it.

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Original post by *custardcream


I get weighed tomorrow though and I can tell I've gained. My boobs are bigger :frown: and my upper arms are bigger :frown:. I should be able to get out the damn wheelchair though :smile:


I'll take it you dont want to join team tits then?
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Reply 569
Original post by .snowflake.
Squiff, don't SI, please. I've a friend who can go months without doing it, but when something tips her over the edge, she proper goes for it,*

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We've had quite nice weather recently and shes HAD to wear long sleeved t-shirts or a cardi because of her arms. She darent not too, epecially when we've got German, if he sees her arms, that'll certainly be a phonecall home about it.


thanks, i don't think i will do it, its so difficult to hide and it'll end up backfiring and remind me of today for longer than i need to think about it.

sorry about crap answers i feel detatched from everything and my head feels somewhere else i dont exactly feel alive
Original post by squiff93
thanks, i don't think i will do it, its so difficult to hide and it'll end up backfiring and remind me of today for longer than i need to think about it.

sorry about crap answers i feel detatched from everything and my head feels somewhere else i dont exactly feel alive


Dude. its ok. Thats how I can tell my friend wants to cut/ has done in the past day or so, she seems completely spaced out and not really on this planet.
I havent talked about this with anyone apart from my doctors so im sorry if this makes no sse. All through my childhood I had been moving from country to country all around the world and never had any stability. Then when I moved back to England two years ago I became a perfectionist and a calorie counter and was eating less than 150 calories per day. People say this but its actually true.. I was like an empty shell. I was taken out of school and put into a specialist eating disorder unit where I was fed through a tube and lost all concentration, could barely move and had the thinnest hair to speak of. One day my mother came to see me and didnt talk just cry... that night i started self harming and was put on 24hr surveillence. I can't say i'm completely cured but I'm out of there now. I will never let my mam cry like that again.
Anyone who has any eating disorder I just want to tell you that you are not alone. These things cabe conqured (at least thats what I'm telling myself)
I know what it feels like to live with OCD, many people say how they have their "OCD moments" but living constantly with it is not so much harming but more of like a burden. These things may sound crazy to a few people but when you suffer from the disorder its like you have to act on the complusions because if not although you know that logically nothing is going to happen, there is an underlying fear that something bad is going to happen if you do not perform certian rituals. I've been suffering from this for about 10 years and the obbsessions and compulsions have changed throughout the years but i'll just give you an insight into a few or i'll be here all day!

It started for me years ago and i never realised what it was until i was older. When i was younger i used to have to wash my hands constantly and my skin on my hands was always in a really bad condition. I used to make my mum give me 16 good night kisses every night and i used to have to do things like turn things on and off 16 times, touch the door 16 times before i walked into a room.

I also have this thing about praying, where i'd have to when lying in bed say these sort ofpre-scripted prayers where if i didn't pray for everyone i would feel that something bad was going to happen to that person. If i fell asleep during a prayer and didnt get to the end of it (they would last about 45 minutes) i'd have to continue from where i thought i left off in the morning. Sometimes i'd have about 4 pending prayers and it could take me about 3 hours to allow myself to finally sleep.

When i used to stay for lunch in school i'd have to "stand up and sit down" 4 times whilst looking at the clock... i also have this thing with time, (right now i am sitting in my room with 5 clocks). My friends used to make fun of it and think i was a bit crazy but i used to make it into a joke to try and disguise what i was really doing because i wasn't going to tell them why i behaved in such a way.

I also am quite germophobic (if thats a word). I'll never touch a button on a traffic light, or in a lift and i refuse to use a bus. Its a bit funny actually at times because if i don't have a key or something on me to press the button at the traffic light i'll just wait for someone else to come and press it and sometimes they've assumed that i have pressed it and we're standing around for a while...

I could go on and on but i think i'll stop there as i've given a fair idea of my disorder. Its not AS bad as it might sound, i mean i have coped with it for about 10 years and doing psychology A-level when reading about OCD i've seen a passage of a man who wrote a book about how he resolved it himself so i'm planning on getting that book and trying to see if it will work for me. I manage to hide as best as possible from most people, many have no idea of my disorder and when i might perform a compulsion in public and they ask me what on earth i am doing i try to find some way of making logic out of it :smile:

Now, because of my exams i'm kind of at my peak but during summer it should get a lot better!

Sorry if i've gone on a bit! Just decided to tell my story! :smile:
No, I most DEFINITELY do not want to be part of team tit :redface:. *huge issues*.
Not helped by the fact that even at a BMI 12.2 I was a ****ing C-cup, I kid you not. :frown:.

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Please don't SI :redface:. It never leads anywhere good :redface:. My arms are an absolute trainwreck. They're basically so covered in scar tissue I have little sensation in my forearms :redface:. It starts off smaller and then escalates and it will keep on escalating :frown:.
Reply 574
Original post by .snowflake.
Dude. its ok. Thats how I can tell my friend wants to cut/ has done in the past day or so, she seems completely spaced out and not really on this planet.


Original post by *custardcream


Please don't SI :redface:. It never leads anywhere good :redface:. My arms are an absolute trainwreck. They're basically so covered in scar tissue I have little sensation in my forearms :redface:. It starts off smaller and then escalates and it will keep on escalating :frown:.


yeah i don't think i am gna self harm again for that reason, the scars don't help in the long run its just a temporary fix and it doesn't really fix anything. i think if im gna do anything it'll be more permenant, i guess i've got a long night ahead of me
Original post by squiff93
:'( thankyou it means a lot,

i don't want to hurt myself but i don't want to be here anymore, i don't know whats its like to feel happy anymore

i just look at myself and i feel ashamed im a mess and everything in my life relects that, i used to actually have a chance at a future now i just feel like i'm settling for something else all the time, i don't feel like i'll ever be happy and i feel like i'm only alive because i'm too scared to hurt my parents.

it sounds stupid but its like i sit in my room and just look at the mess, all the food wrappers of today bowls and paper that started off as revision and is now just thrown all over the room, all the tracksuit bottoms and pjs which smell like sick its disgusting, im disgusting and such a failure :'(

Don't EVER feel bad for saying how you feel on here hun, we all care about you and don't want you to bottle things up.
Don't dwell on this. This is a bad day. There's always tomorrow to make a new start and try and put things right. You are not disgusting and you're not a failure. You have a mental illness affecting your rationalision and perception. You do have a future. The illness makes you feel like you don't. It makes you feel like you're worthless, makes you physically weak, makes you lose all sight of everything. It's all a lie. All I want to do is get that horrible illness away from you but I can't. You HAVE to get some help.

This time a little over a year ago, I was a suicidal mess, I didn't think I had a future, I didn't want to fight the illness, I was resigned to dying. I think in a way, the AN was just me trying to kill myself really slowly in a way no-one could hate me for. But I didn't die. I got shoved in hospital, screamed down the phone to my parents telling them to get me out of hospital or let me die (don't know what that did to them...) I fought the nurses and fought recovery at every step. Got put in the halfway house for when your weight was deemed ok, overdosed on my antidepressants- I've never told anyone that- and the staff didn't know because I lied to them and I got let out and felt worse than I did before I got admitted because I had to deal with this new body that felt wrong and huge that I didn't want to be in and then I had to start my A levels. I wanted to die every single day and like you, the only reason I carried on was for my family. But, you know, it's been 9 months(?) since I left hospital and I'm still here. The food didn't kill me, even though I thought it would and more surprisingly, I didn't kill myself. I don't know why or how but somewhere along the way I realised I was stronger than I thought. I'm not going to lie and say I particularly want to live or that I'm all 'Yay recovery' because you've seen most of my posts- I'm not. But I can see that I have some sort of future and for now, that's enough for me. I don't need to be happy all the time, I don't think anyone is but at least I'm not hopeless. I'm not hopeless because that **** voice in my head doesn't have as much power over me as it did before. And that's not even from therapy or anything, it's just having a brain that isn't shruken from lack of fat and fluid and a body that isn't going to keel over anytime soon.
Of course this isn't 'real' recovery and it's not a viable way of living for a very long time but it's a damn sight better than before. Malnutrition makes you MORE depressed and suicidal. Imagine where you'll be in a year's time if you get help and imagine where you'll be in a year's time if you don't. You may say you want to die and genuinely feel like you do but it's ******* scary when you get told you might. And do you want to be a victim of this illness? It's a horrendous waste of life. You have so much potential and you can be anything and you can do anything- the possibilities are limitless. But you'll be dead if you carry on this path without getting help. I'm sorry to be blunt but it's true.

When I was losing weight and doctors were telling me what I was doing to myself I was like 'meh, whatever, nothing's going to happen to me.' and then everything happened all at once. My dad randomly mentioned it a few days ago and said that if I'd been at home for another week, I would have died. I don't know how true that is- actually my brain is doing --> :rolleyes: right now but I don't know what I was like at that point. I can't remember because my brain wasn't working very well but right now I have the voice in my head telling me 'Everyone was exaggerating, you were fine, your weight wasn't THAT low, you could have lasted for another few years.' I was yellow ffs. And bearing in mind I'm black, it's pretty hard to go yellow! See, the voice lies to you. It's so hard to trust everyone else when you feel so cut off from everyone and it feels safe but the fact is, in your head is a voice that forces you to do self destructive things- would you tell a two year old girl that she's fat and disgusting and worthless for eating and make her starve herself? It's the ED, not you. It wants you dead. This is such an evil insidious illness and it tells you that you're not ill when you so obviously are, it tells you you deserve to die for eating and makes you feel like a horrible worthless subhuman... how is that something to hold on to?

I'm begging you, please please try and talk to your mum again, get some professional help. You don't deserve to die and not from anything as painful as multiple organ failure. This isn't control of any sort and it's not a life. You're ill and you desperately need help.

There's hope, there's ALWAYS hope as long as you're not dead. If you're dead there is no way anything will ever get better. When you're starving you're pretty damn close to death so is it any wonder you feel hopeless and suicidal? You can fight this. You can. The only way your life will be ruined irreparably is if you stop fighting. So please please start fighting.
:hugs:

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Original post by Cinamon
Nope, you are not a failure, you are ill. You are really ill and you need help. Your parents aren't important right now - you are. Please please get some professional help. Everything you are feeling is not you, it's your illness, your ED - and as other people have shown, with a little help, ED can be beaten.

You do have a chance of a future, no matter how bad it is at the moment. There is help out there, but you have to go get it xx

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*nods*
And being a healthy weight doesn't mean your body isn't going to **** from lack of food or that you're suffering less. I don't think your cells care about your BMI when they're being starved! Actually, being a healthy weight doesn't even mean you're physically healthy!
Original post by Aemiliana
Right, let me say this again to everyone: **** weight. Seriously, weight is one symptom among many of the evil disease loads of us on here are suffering from. I don't care if you're 50lbs or 500lbs, an eating disorder is an eating disorder. You will be taken seriously by the doctors and it is imperative that you try to go and see them. Life with an ED is horrible and you need the help and support of people qualified to do just that in order to get better and live a happy, healthy and beautiful life.

You have reached the limit of how many posts you can rate today!
This. And that's why I really dislike the weight criteria for AN, because it doesn't ****** matter. Yes, you're probably 'more likely' to die at a sub 17.5 BMI but you can die as a result of ED behaviour at any weight if you do it for long enough, you can have all the thoughts at any weight. It's a symptom- ONE symptom and focusing on it just makes you feel like you're not ill enough to warrant any help because tbh there's always going to be someone who weighs less than you. If you're struggling with this illness, get help whatever your weight.
Original post by *custardcream
No, I most DEFINITELY do not want to be part of team tit :redface:. *huge issues*.
Not helped by the fact that even at a BMI 12.2 I was a ****ing C-cup, I kid you not. :frown:.

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Please don't SI :redface:. It never leads anywhere good :redface:. My arms are an absolute trainwreck. They're basically so covered in scar tissue I have little sensation in my forearms :redface:. It starts off smaller and then escalates and it will keep on escalating :frown:.


Boobs. :frown: I remember spending prepubescence desperately wanting them to grow and the second they did, I wanted them to go away. :rolleyes: :redface:

I'm the anon btw. Don't actually know why I went anon but there you go!

Night guys. :hugs:
Original post by Anonymous
This. And that's why I really dislike the weight criteria for AN, because it doesn't ****** matter. Yes, you're probably 'more likely' to die at a sub 17.5 BMI but you can die as a result of ED behaviour at any weight if you do it for long enough, you can have all the thoughts at any weight. It's a symptom- ONE symptom and focusing on it just makes you feel like you're not ill enough to warrant any help because tbh there's always going to be someone who weighs less than you. If you're struggling with this illness, get help whatever your weight.

I have to say I disagree with this :redface:.
Sub-17.5 the starvation has taken physical effect and the bodily systems are becoming compromised. Cognitive functioning becomes screwed and distorted. At this point the emphasis should be on refeeding before starting cognitive psychotherapy.
I am NOT saying that those with a BMI >17.5 are 'less sick' - just saying that the treatment needs to be different.
Reply 578
Original post by Anonymous
Don't EVER feel bad for saying how you feel on here hun, we all care about you and don't want you to bottle things up.
Don't dwell on this. This is a bad day. There's always tomorrow to make a new start and try and put things right. You are not disgusting and you're not a failure. You have a mental illness affecting your rationalision and perception. You do have a future. The illness makes you feel like you don't. It makes you feel like you're worthless, makes you physically weak, makes you lose all sight of everything. It's all a lie. All I want to do is get that horrible illness away from you but I can't. You HAVE to get some help.

This time a little over a year ago, I was a suicidal mess, I didn't think I had a future, I didn't want to fight the illness, I was resigned to dying. I think in a way, the AN was just me trying to kill myself really slowly in a way no-one could hate me for. But I didn't die. I got shoved in hospital, screamed down the phone to my parents telling them to get me out of hospital or let me die (don't know what that did to them...) I fought the nurses and fought recovery at every step. Got put in the halfway house for when your weight was deemed ok, overdosed on my antidepressants- I've never told anyone that- and the staff didn't know because I lied to them and I got let out and felt worse than I did before I got admitted because I had to deal with this new body that felt wrong and huge that I didn't want to be in and then I had to start my A levels. I wanted to die every single day and like you, the only reason I carried on was for my family. But, you know, it's been 9 months(?) since I left hospital and I'm still here. The food didn't kill me, even though I thought it would and more surprisingly, I didn't kill myself. I don't know why or how but somewhere along the way I realised I was stronger than I thought. I'm not going to lie and say I particularly want to live or that I'm all 'Yay recovery' because you've seen most of my posts- I'm not. But I can see that I have some sort of future and for now, that's enough for me. I don't need to be happy all the time, I don't think anyone is but at least I'm not hopeless. I'm not hopeless because that **** voice in my head doesn't have as much power over me as it did before. And that's not even from therapy or anything, it's just having a brain that isn't shruken from lack of fat and fluid and a body that isn't going to keel over anytime soon.
Of course this isn't 'real' recovery and it's not a viable way of living for a very long time but it's a damn sight better than before. Malnutrition makes you MORE depressed and suicidal. Imagine where you'll be in a year's time if you get help and imagine where you'll be in a year's time if you don't. You may say you want to die and genuinely feel like you do but it's ******* scary when you get told you might. And do you want to be a victim of this illness? It's a horrendous waste of life. You have so much potential and you can be anything and you can do anything- the possibilities are limitless. But you'll be dead if you carry on this path without getting help. I'm sorry to be blunt but it's true.

When I was losing weight and doctors were telling me what I was doing to myself I was like 'meh, whatever, nothing's going to happen to me.' and then everything happened all at once. My dad randomly mentioned it a few days ago and said that if I'd been at home for another week, I would have died. I don't know how true that is- actually my brain is doing --> :rolleyes: right now but I don't know what I was like at that point. I can't remember because my brain wasn't working very well but right now I have the voice in my head telling me 'Everyone was exaggerating, you were fine, your weight wasn't THAT low, you could have lasted for another few years.' I was yellow ffs. And bearing in mind I'm black, it's pretty hard to go yellow! See, the voice lies to you. It's so hard to trust everyone else when you feel so cut off from everyone and it feels safe but the fact is, in your head is a voice that forces you to do self destructive things- would you tell a two year old girl that she's fat and disgusting and worthless for eating and make her starve herself? It's the ED, not you. It wants you dead. This is such an evil insidious illness and it tells you that you're not ill when you so obviously are, it tells you you deserve to die for eating and makes you feel like a horrible worthless subhuman... how is that something to hold on to?

I'm begging you, please please try and talk to your mum again, get some professional help. You don't deserve to die and not from anything as painful as multiple organ failure. This isn't control of any sort and it's not a life. You're ill and you desperately need help.

There's hope, there's ALWAYS hope as long as you're not dead. If you're dead there is no way anything will ever get better. When you're starving you're pretty damn close to death so is it any wonder you feel hopeless and suicidal? You can fight this. You can. The only way your life will be ruined irreparably is if you stop fighting. So please please start fighting.
:hugs:

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i'm never going to feel like i'm ill, instead i feel like i'm bad at coping with just something normal. i want to keep telling everyone close to me i'm better than how i was and i'm not actually mentally ill, i feel the same as all my friends when they diet, the only difference is the way i act if i fail and the rules, but i dont want it to be an eating disorder i dont want to be in something i can't fix myself. the suicidal thoughts, i want to just believe everyone my age has them.

hearing other peoples stories completely splits me 2 ways, on one hand i can empathise and understand and relate them to myself on the other i feel like thats a million miles from me and i'm nowhere near that bad, i hate doctors i never want to go back, i really really really want to just make myself better!

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