Is it inevitable that Britain or the US will get attacked in the near future?

This thread has just entered insanity. Is AreYouDizzeBlud writing a novel or something.

Russia, China and the USA are not going to war!

They might via proxies like in the Cold War - ergo Vietnam and so on - but that is it.

Nobody wants to destroy their own economies over fairly pointless all out war. I do agree the situation in Iran is concerning - hopefully it will resolve itself from within - i.e. a second Persian revolution, Iran will be the flashpoint. Israel may be the catalyst, let's hope the USA can keep them on a leash. The USA can only do so much, contry to what some may say - it is a democracy, and Americans will not allow tens of thousands of American deaths over a pointless war. It would be political suicide.

Hey your the one calling me stupied when in actual fact no one understood what you wrote ?.

" go back to the stone from which you came " have you ever been to grammer school or were you home schooled by your abusive father ?!

The thing is, Russia are not scared of America though, thats the point im trying to make. Russia obviously won't want to go to war, no country really does, but if its in their interests and the US military seriously cross the line they will attack. However, its unlikely the attack will be on America mainland.

Thats what the whole thread is about. With Britain and America continuously getting involved in International Affairs, its likely Russia and other countries like China will say enough is enough and get involved because the more the US and the UK take over and own, the bigger the threat they become to countries like Russia and China.

The thing is, Russia are not scared of America though, thats the point im trying to make. Russia obviously won't want to go to war, no country really does, but if its in their interests and the US military seriously cross the line they will attack. However, its unlikely the attack will be on America mainland.

Thats what the whole thread is about. With Britain and America continuously getting involved in International Affairs, its likely Russia and other countries like China will say enough is enough and get involved because the more the US and the UK take over and own, the bigger the threat they become to countries like Russia and China.

US aircraft have a certain code that designates them as military or civilian. Apart from stealth you can't really fool radar other than using something old school like aluminium foil

What do you think Russia will attack?

I don't actually disagree with this point - Russia may attack western proxies like Georgia or Kosovo; beyond this...the Russians simply would not dare. Attacking the USA or a country like the UK, France and so on would simply be suicide. If they attacked somewhere like Alaska then the Americans would go seriously mental, including the public.

Most military aircraft are fitted with transponder jammers meaning they won't show up.

Exactly, all it will be is gestures against the West, nothing more, there is a reason Russia isn't a superpower anymore (if you class Russia as the successor state to the USSR).

How many times must it be said? Russia will not go to war over Iran. Russia will go to war because of their interests in Iran that are worth a lot to them and their economy. Obviously, Russia is not going take too kindly to an invasion that poses a serious threat to their interests in Iran, just as no other country would.

What do you think Russia will attack?

I don't actually disagree with this point - Russia may attack western proxies like Georgia or Kosovo; beyond this...the Russians simply would not dare. Attacking the USA or a country like the UK, France and so on would simply be suicide. If they attacked somewhere like Alaska then the Americans would go seriously mental, including the public.

Russia's future is a question mark. It is going to enter a serious demographic collapse - male life expectancy is very low, they are having no babies and there is very little immigration ~ plus there is wide-spread corruption and creeping facism from the government. It's strength is the fact that it has so much gas, minerals and other resources; but there is no way it is capable of competing with the USA. The Americans main rival is China - but the Sino-American economic system is more important to the Chinese than geo-politics...the Chinese only care about resource gathering; whether it be Iran, Sudan..wherever. It is in both America's and China's interests to maintain a cordial relationship - given that the global economy is based around these two nations.

Russian trade with Iran is very minimal. In fact, Iranian trade with Russia only about 0.7% of Russian external trade. I am not sure why you think it is significant to the Russian economy.

A large number of blips in a declared combat zone? The US will shoot first ask questions later.

Russia profits from a nuclear Iran, its that simple. A non nuclear Iran, which the UK and the US want means Russia does not profit which will agitate Russia and lead to action. Thats why America, the UK and France won't invade Iran as they don't want other countries to get involved.

Whilst I agree thats how the US military take action, if planes are coming from behind its hard to determine who'll get the first strike in. The fact is, no one knows who would win but that still doesn't mean Russia won't retaliate if Iran is invaded. Russia like any other nation will want to protect its interests.

How does Russia profit? Recently it has been shifting away and become uncomfortable with a nuclear Iran swanning around the middle east - threatening Saudi, the other Gulf Oil states and Israel.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10684110

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7272754/Russia-very-alarmed-by-Iran-nuclear-report.html

You have to remember the Russians have closer relations with the House of Saud and states like Bahrain - all of these nations are scared about Iran with the A-bomb and as wikileaks demonstrated (and many suspected anyway) requested that the USA attack Iran or 'cut the head off the snake'.

A nuclear Iran would be a terrible thing for the ME - Iran will threaten it's own people, threaten Israel/Saudi/Bahrain/Jordan with the things and the fact they have nuclear weapons would make an invasion very difficult. Iran could also rile up muslims within Russia, like they are doing with Hamas and in Lebanon - which would cause a hige headache for the Russians.

You just contradicted yourself by saying American influence ensures a steady supply oil to China and saying Iran produces China with a significant amount, Iran isn't influenced by America if you hadn't noticed.

As I said, China will not go to war over Iran no matter what.

Thats why the US has these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-3_Sentry

Thats how.

http://www.frumforum.com/how-russia-profits-from-a-nuclear-iran

Jeffry1 You’re right. I didn’t go into the downside of a nuclear Iran for Russia enough.

Russia’s Islamic expoxure is huge. Part of their calculation has been by at not getting in Iran’s way, Iran will not stir things up with Russia’s Muslims as they would be doing if they followed their constituional imperative.

We fear a nuclear Iran becuase it will streghten and embolden Iran to export terrorism. Russia has much more exposure to this than we do, both in proximity and in the size of thei Islamic population.

A nuclear Iran will feel less need of Russia’s protection and become much more of a regional rival with Russia – it doesn’t have to come to a nuclear exchange to become a problem for Russia.

Also a heightend nuclear arms race in south Asia would be frightening for Russia. Think of what it would be like in S. American countries started developing nuclear weapons.

Russia’s obstructionism has attempted to balance their short term with their long term geo policitcal interests. My poorly made point,is that the short term is rapidly running its course., Thier long term interests with Iran coincide with ours. Helping them to see this is the basis for Obama’s approach. To throw up our hands and say they will never see this is surely a self fullfilling prophecy.

As to the “self interest” thing – if Brad’s was an innocent remark, why include in it the “rock star” remark?