Thoughts on current debate, stunning or Jewish, Islamic methods of slaughter?

Well that is another topic, whether people should eat animals at all. but if you do , theres no reason why animals should subjected to a bleeding out before they die.


And regarding penguins - they are not mentioned in the rule you refer and they span two different categories - birds of prey and living in the water

There is a very good reason - hypocrisy. Everyone who has ever expressed their disapproval of halal/kosher slaughter methods to me have happily admitted they buy factory farmed food. These people see nothing wrong (well, they generally make up some rubbish about how it's bad but they can't afford high-welfare food so they are somehow forced to purchase it) with eating the meat/eggs of an animal that has suffered it's entire life, yet get all high and mighty because an animal may suffer for a few seconds/minutes at the time of slaughter. What's the difference? One is done by those evil Muslims/Jews...

And argue with me if you want, but I refuse to accept that people who are happy for animals to be killed for their pleasure have any real passion for the welfare of farmed animals.

Now the penguin question is off-topic if you want it answered I suggest you go on the ask about Islam thread or TSR ISOC for an answer.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/group.php?groupid=29

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1240627

Even if animals died in excruciating pain, why should we care? Have you got a book from God saying that we should care?

I have a big pair, Do you know anything about islam? Idols are haram in islam but childrens dolls are specifically mentioned in hadiths because they are for children and educational - so are given dispensation. Cartoons ( unless educational) are NOT allowable just like any other haram image.
If they were, then why would a cartoon of mohammed cause such outrage?

Why do i need to ask them, what makes their opinion more valid than mine? the penguin is not mentioned because it was not known by mohammed. So you can only use your own logic

Any picture of God and His Messengers is blasphemy.

It's people like you that really worry me.

You do realise animals feel the same pain as we can?

I also don't believe in any religion and I am Agnostic-Atheist.

It's people like you that really worry me.

You do realise animals feel the same pain as we can?

I also don't believe in any religion and I am Agnostic-Atheist.

You mean the welfare of living creatures which you lock up and then kill for your pleasure? How noble of you...

Never heard of "free-range" have you?

Animals aren't killed for pleasure, they are killed so we can eat their meat which is high in protein, essential fats et al.

So is any picture of any animate character to imitate any of his creations is classed as a kabirah sin

Again off topic.
So you can see it from an alternative view point, I don't know what sources you use but they may/may not be very accurate and you can see what views current Muslims have on the matter. Are you so ignorant and naive as to not even do this.

Also you did not reply to the point I made which is related to the OP.

Never heard of "free-range" have you?

Animals aren't killed for pleasure, they are killed so we can eat their meat which is high in protein, essential fats et al.

I'm just saying that you have no proof as to why we should care whether animals are in pain or not.

if someone believes that this is the way God ordered them to be slaughtered, then why should they give a damn about your views?

The Jewish Kosher method is far better than the Halal method

Re your first question, farmed animals are reared for the sole purpose of providing a meat food source, not to torture prior to slaughter which has nothing to do with the food chain. There is no hypocracy in that.

We also have no proof as to why I should care whether you died in excruciating pain or not.

They should because they are living in a fallacy where they believe in 2,000+ year old stories but refuse to accept or at least empathise modern society's values.

Killing free-range or factory farmed animals both causes pain. Yes, one arguably one method causes less pain than others but neither cause no pain at all.

Exactly Muslims and Jews do not go around killing the animals for pleasure they kill so they can eat the high protein meat.

Haven't seen you in a while, nice to see you again. (I was slaw btw)

Muslim and Jews kill the animals for a food source their main aim is not to cause as much pain as possible.