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Reply 180
Defo looks like theyre gearing up for war and it all depends who's side china Russia and DPRK take.
It's good to see the Iranians shot down a US drone anyway!
Original post by Howard
The Iranian army is much much larger than Britains. They are also pretty well trained and not likely to run up the white flag at the first sign of trouble. Plus of course the British army is already stretched to a maximum so it's unlikely they could pull together much of a force.


In this case in a conventional war, we have the technology to beat Iran's army without even taking fire. Unless we start fighting in close quarters, I don't see how the Iranian's are going to fire back. Their armoured force is obsolete, their air force is obsolete and you could probably say most of their equipment is dated. In conventional warfare Iran's military would be very easy to destroy, however of course inside cities or urban combat is another thing. But out in the terrain which Iran has, I'm pretty damn sure the UK military would dominate, if it focused its entire force on Iran.

Not only that, we could enforce a naval blockade on Iran, take out all its oil pumping capabilities and essentially sever the army communications via the use of tomahawk missiles.

While it wouldn't be easy, the UK military certainly would not get owned if it had the full force behind it.
Reply 182
Original post by Elipsis
I know that Britain in it's current state couldn't do that, i'm saying that in theory if it ever came down to it, Britain would be in with a damn good shot of winning. It wouldn't/shouldn't ever happen.


And what makes you think that Iran won't change in its current state to match how Britain changes. Your argument has too many caveats and eventualities to be in the slightest bit meaningful
Reply 183
Original post by Elipsis
I think we could mobilise far quicker than this... We would probably use a destroy everything of value to the enemy strategy and not need to expand that much any way. We could have all their infrastructure, signally, and weapony destroyed with relative ease, whilst they couldn't reach our soil.


But "destroying" all this is not going to mean you'd win. This was the NATO strategy in Yugoslavia, and it didn't result in NATO "winning"
Reply 184
Original post by IRSP044
Defo looks like theyre gearing up for war and it all depends who's side china Russia and DPRK take.


I don't think there is serious preparation for war. It's just brinkmanship diplomacy
Reply 185
Original post by Rat_Bag
And what makes you think that Iran won't change in its current state to match how Britain changes. Your argument has too many caveats and eventualities to be in the slightest bit meaningful


They aren't any where near as rich as we are? They aren't as technologically competant. If it was a conventional war we've got enough firepower in the air, and from the sea, to totally destroy all their forces.
Reply 186
Original post by Rat_Bag
But "destroying" all this is not going to mean you'd win. This was the NATO strategy in Yugoslavia, and it didn't result in NATO "winning"


It increases the likelyhood dramatically though. Once the forces cannot communicate, and become bands of men just fighting for the sake of it, it soon starts to unravel. An army that isn't fighting in unison is a much weaker army.
Reply 187
Original post by JonathanNorth
In this case in a conventional war, we have the technology to beat Iran's army without even taking fire. Unless we start fighting in close quarters, I don't see how the Iranian's are going to fire back. Their armoured force is obsolete, their air force is obsolete and you could probably say most of their equipment is dated. In conventional warfare Iran's military would be very easy to destroy, however of course inside cities or urban combat is another thing. But out in the terrain which Iran has, I'm pretty damn sure the UK military would dominate, if it focused its entire force on Iran.


But they wouldn't win

JonathanNorth
Not only that, we could enforce a naval blockade on Iran, take out all its oil pumping capabilities and essentially sever the army communications via the use of tomahawk missiles.


And probably trigger a global economic crisis that would be certain to bring down many Western economies (who may go down he drain anyway without such an additional crisis). Not only will shutting down the 4th largest oil producer trigger massive increases in oil prices, but the knock-on instability into the oil producing nations westwards (from the action itself, but also direct Iranian incitement; they have extensive operations and intelligence networks through the Middle East) would be catastrophic.

JonathanNorth
While it wouldn't be easy, the UK military certainly would not get owned if it had the full force behind it.


Somebody has been playing Call of Duty 3 a bit too much.......sorry that's mean for me to say, but it was what came into my head.
Reply 188
Original post by Elipsis
They aren't any where near as rich as we are?


Their economy is far more stable and secure than ours is, and it's stability and security that matters.
Iran just downed a U.S. drone using e-countermeasures. It uses the same stealth technology as the B2 Bomber so maybe they can bring one of those down too. Worrying stuff.
Reply 190
Original post by Elipsis
It increases the likelyhood dramatically though


So you are talking about a ground invasion? (here's me thinking you had the sense to drop that idea)

Elipsis
Once the forces cannot communicate, and become bands of men just fighting for the sake of it, it soon starts to unravel. An army that isn't fighting in unison is a much weaker army.


Even the Taliban are able to communicate with eachother with the most rudimentary technology

I do feel I am debating with people who form their military strategy from computer games
Reply 191
Original post by FromRussiaWithLove
Iran just downed a U.S. drone using e-countermeasures. It uses the same stealth technology as the B2 Bomber so maybe they can bring one of those down too. Worrying stuff.


Did that come from the Iranian government by any chance?
Reply 192
Original post by IRSP044
Defo looks like theyre gearing up for war and it all depends who's side china Russia and DPRK take.
It's good to see the Iranians shot down a US drone anyway!



China, Russia and the DPRK will not get involved.

China is too focussed on its' economy to wade into costly, needless conflicts. It follows isolationist policies, and wouldn't consider Iran important enough to jeopardise relations with the West. They might be trading partners, and China might be more sympathetic than Israel and the US - but the Balance of Power would be irreparably damaged if they had a war-by-proxy with America.

Russia is still controlled by Putin. Putin is suffering in the pre-election polls and although it is almost certain will emerge victorious, he will not risk losing even more popularity. Secondly, as with China, Russia follows a relatively isolationist policy - although has closer military links with Iran. Its seat on the UN Security Council might taper its temper in this matter, and Russia doesn't need Iran's oil - it has enough of its own.

North Korea is just so ronery. China wouldn't allow it to get involved.



There's no evidence that the drone was shot down by the Iranians - you can't take the word of some "official" as gospel. :rolleyes:

This shouldn't escalate into some "all-in" conflict. Israel will not allow the Iranian nuclear sites to develop, and it will use its air power to deal with them. That said, the Iranian response is very unpredictable. Hopefully, a string of anti-Semitic rhetoric will be the worst that comes of it... but if the Ayatollah gets his turban in a twist, there may well be a more aggressive response. Both Israel and Iran have significant conventional military strength, but Israel's nuclear weapons might hopefully dissuade Iran from a retaliation.
Reply 193
Original post by Rat_Bag
So you are talking about a ground invasion? (here's me thinking you had the sense to drop that idea)



Even the Taliban are able to communicate with eachother with the most rudimentary technology

I do feel I am debating with people who form their military strategy from computer games


Their economy appears stable to you, but it is heavily dependent on oil. Once we have made sure they don't have the means to export it, their economy would essentially collapse. Our economy is also over 4x the size of theirs. So in terms of economic might we would stomp all over them.

By the time we hit the ground many of their men would be dead, they'd have next to no artilary to speak of, and they would be in disarray. We don't have to wipe them out to cause the army to switch sides here. By the time we had any boots on the ground, it would just be a case of sweeping in and finishing the job.

Of course the Taliban can communicate... but they are 36,000 strong and communicate infrequently between cells. If we had all of them stood against us in a conventional battle, we would win in less than 3 days, and probably lose less than 100 men. If we reduced the Iranian armies communication capabilities down to those levels, it would be much much easier because they wouldn't have very direct command from above.

You are debating with someone who specialised in military strategy in their history degree by the way.
Original post by Rat_Bag
But they wouldn't win

Somebody has been playing Call of Duty 3 a bit too much.......sorry that's mean for me to say, but it was what came into my head.


No one said anything about winning. I was actually responding to someone who stated that Britain's military would get "owned" in a military conflict with Iran. I'm just stating that the full force of Britain's military capabilities could wipe the floor of Iran who are still using F-14 Eagle's in their air force. :smile:
Reply 195
Seriously. How are we going to attack Iran with a half built aircraft carrier and what's left of the army tied up in Afghanistan.
Original post by Thomas2
Seriously. How are we going to attack Iran with a half built aircraft carrier and what's left of the army tied up in Afghanistan.


Unleash the Gurkhas!
I just don't understand. Iran, legitimately, wants nuclear weapons to be able to defend itself against aggressive powers like Israel. As soon as they attempt to have them, which is well within their rights, we shout war, war, lets fight another war, lets help America, war, lets kill, kill, kill, all the time when we are wanting to fight a war on terror. It's so stupid.

On the China vs America debate - America only have to lose a tiny tiny amount to 'lose' the war. THe people with power in America simply aren't used to any sort of suffering. Chinese people are. Also the American and Chinese economies are completely interdependent.

On the how will it effect us (in Britain), imagine 7/7 most weeks all over the country.
Original post by Elipsis
Their economy appears stable to you, but it is heavily dependent on oil. Once we have made sure they don't have the means to export it, their economy would essentially collapse. Our economy is also over 4x the size of theirs. So in terms of economic might we would stomp all over them.

By the time we hit the ground many of their men would be dead, they'd have next to no artilary to speak of, and they would be in disarray. We don't have to wipe them out to cause the army to switch sides here. By the time we had any boots on the ground, it would just be a case of sweeping in and finishing the job.

Of course the Taliban can communicate... but they are 36,000 strong and communicate infrequently between cells. If we had all of them stood against us in a conventional battle, we would win in less than 3 days, and probably lose less than 100 men. If we reduced the Iranian armies communication capabilities down to those levels, it would be much much easier because they wouldn't have very direct command from above.

You are debating with someone who specialised in military strategy in their history degree by the way.


Do you really think that the Iranian's don't have hundreds of people specialising in military strategy who have worked exceptionally hard to make sure the situation is not like you've described lol :roll eyes:
Reply 199
Original post by bouillabaisse
I just don't understand. Iran, legitimately, wants nuclear weapons to be able to defend itself against aggressive powers like Israel. As soon as they attempt to have them, which is well within their rights, we shout war, war, lets fight another war, lets help America, war, lets kill, kill, kill, all the time when we are wanting to fight a war on terror. It's so stupid.

On the China vs America debate - America only have to lose a tiny tiny amount to 'lose' the war. THe people with power in America simply aren't used to any sort of suffering. Chinese people are. Also the American and Chinese economies are completely interdependent.

On the how will it effect us (in Britain), imagine 7/7 most weeks all over the country.


Nuclear weapons are not a right. Iran is signed up to a treaty that says they will not develop nukes. They do not need nukes to defend themselves, their military and the proxies they control in the area is enough to deter any invader even the US.

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