Plan B: 'Chav is a derogatory phrase'

Did I mention that they drop their Ts?

Did I mention that they drop their Ts?

Yes they do burn bus shelters with cigarettes and lighters.
They do shout abuse at strangers.
No but they don't shut up about how pissed they got last night.
Yes some of them don't give a **** about their education as they can fall back on mummy and daddy.
Yet nobody has ever referred to these people as chavs.

I know plenty of middle class chavs, my school is full of them. I know of people with a caring stable family living in a nice house, who are uncontrollable menaces, they're antisocial and abusive and generally horrible, and they change their lives to fit the chav stereotype by wearing tracksuits and smoking and drinking cans of beer in public and playing **** music from their phone speakers just like every other chav.

The only difference between middle class chavs and lower class chavs is that middle class chavs have more expensive tracksuits. It's not about class it's about the culture, and a person can choose how they act.

Oh right. Well clearly that is shocking behaviour; I'd most certainly refer to them as chav like as would many of my associates. Also, anyone can attend a private school providing they have the money. Trouble is, people have different interpretations of social class boundaries; some believe it is reliant just on money which is ridiculous. Lottery winners, footballers, celebrities and some professions can still belong to the working class which isn't a problem, it depends on their behaviour.


You're bitter too, does it really matter if their parents make allowances for them?

There is a lot of bitterness toward the lower classes on a predominately middle class, liberal TSR because in watching and hearing about the lives of these 'chavs' it becomes painfully apparent just how plump and comfortable their own lives are, more than anything it inspires fear, fear of the 'chavs' fear of the enviroment these 'chavs' live in and more than anything a fear that they could not handle or live in the enviroment these 'chavs' live in.

It brings forward the insecurities which exist within the flabby, molly-coddled classes. The exact same insecurities which bring out a hatred and bitterness toward soldiers and the armed forces who also ironically are labelled 'lower class' etcc... It is almost as if the cotton-wool wrapped middle classes are trying more than anything to convince themselves that they are better despite them being terrified of anything outside their comfortable liberal cocoon.

When things take a turn for the worse, which will probably happen within our generation. The soft, obese middle classes will be eaten alive by the hungry and tough sections of our society and our world. But until that moment comes they will do little to prevent it bar sit in their comfortable chairs in their comfortable homes arguing on the internet and convinving themselves that they are not pathetic, but are in fact better than those they fear.

I have that is why I said I wear it for sports and then I don't bother changing (when I am not doing sport). Maybe you should read properly.

What is speaking properly? What is behaving properly?
Yes I have ambition, as do many people who wear tracksuits and hang around in groups and get referred to as chavs.

Lol. Why? Because you say so?

And there's something wrong with greeting friends in a certain way? Jesus, get a ****ing grip.

Read what I've said to the likes of Besakt and whyumadtho

So do most people in the country. Everything that is external to antisocial behaviour in this context is not universally socially undesirable or limited to particular members of society.

I drop my Ts, last time I checked I'm not a chav. I can't help it, it's how my parents and my friends speak. You're equating class and environment to behaviour which is wrong and exactly what most people in this thread are arguing against.

Making allowance for your children is one thing. Buying your son a brand new rolex when in year 8 after he has lost his, is just being spoilt rotten.

That's a bit lazy, but not completely chav like.
Speaking properly: correct grammar, pronouncing words properly, using appropiate words.

You haven't responded to any of my points adequately and I still don't know why certain dialects and clothing types are undesirable in your view.

Apparently because of the way I dress I would be referred to as a chav by the likes of you.
Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. What is appropriate words?

Most people in the country to do not drop their Ts!
You can help it by just pronouncing the T. Being a chav will depend on a number of factors, not just that.

Why is it any of your business?

Most people in the country make an active effort to enunciate the 't' in 'don't', for example? I don't think so.

Yet the former never usually get referred to as chavs.
All a working class person has to do to get labelled as a chav is dress in a tracksuit and hang around in groups.

Not everybody here is so coccooned.