The Martial Arts Society

Of course boxing is a martial art! "Martial" = of Mars, the Roman god of war/fighting; "Art" = from Latin ars meaning skill.

I wish I knew how many times you have said that on TSR, it's all you seem to say.

Yeah I understand what you mean, I live in Sheffield and I thought it would be like that too when I started kickboxing but when I first went everyone was really friendly and the instructors would have never put me in the ring sparring until I was ready. Tbh most cocky idiots wouldn't last 2 sessions at a good boxing gym, everyone who is there, is there to work hard not to look hard. I just looked on the internet to find one in Sheffield then I rang up and talked to one of the instructors. Also when I first went it was with a friend which was really good, made the whole place less intimidating when you first walk in, it also means you have a partner you know when you do drills.

I know, I know. I'll stop saying it when people stop saying "boxing/wrestling isn't a martial art". It's just . . . GRRRRR! A pet peeve of mine.

well wrestling certainly isnt..

"Wrestling is the foundation of all fighting" - George Silver, 16th C. English Master of Arms

But no learning to pick people up and smash them to the floor isn't "proper fighting" because they don't play patty cake and dance around doing kata forms, right?

Oh yes, is that why wrestling is the now foundation of all british army combat training... oh wait a minute

Yes, learning how to pick things up and putting them down again is very useful. I let you know when i need a sofa moving.

I dont know much about patty cake, i have had a full ses of muay boran sparring this morning (thats martial arts to you) and there wasnt much dancing going on. But we did do some katas beforehand, youll be glad to know.

i might give some of your wrestling a go tonight, what would you recommend ,Fire Pro Wrestling or Smackdown Vs RAW ?

It certainly was. And wrestling techniques such as the double and single leg takedown are core parts of the British Army unarmed combatives program. .

Yeah, that's like calling a Thai clinch "holding something"..

I know what Muay Boran is. So you're off the Wing Chun nonsense now, are you?.

This just makes you look ignorant, sarcasm or not. I'm obviously talking about Catch, Freestyle, Greco-Roman, various forms of Folkstyle, et ceterea. I would love to see you say that to a wrestler like Josh Barnett and watch him put you through the floor.

yes of course, because wrestling for leg takedowns are so important to soldiers that are training for opponents that can be armed with bladed weapons etc, not to mention setting themselves to take a few knees to the head

what nonsense would that be? Can i not be versed in wingtsun and boran at the same time? Still all better than wrestling sweaty guys in their pants and pretending its a martial art.

I wasnt being sarcastic, i was hoping for some genuine advice from a wrestling expert.
Surely you can relive this fantasy of yours on Smackdown or UFC for Xbox? Who is this Josh kid you are going to get to beat me up, im not scared of him were does he live? Ill get the undertaker to put him in a facegrab ( or whatever its called)

From a 15th c. manual on armed and armoured combat. This would be called a High Crotch Takedown in modern parlance; a bread-and-butter takedown started with a leg grab high on the thigh. You'll find wrestling to compose a good 30% of handbooks on armed combat pre-automatic firearms, from completely unarmoured fighting to knights in full plate harness. Obviously it's less important to a soldier nowadays when everyone you're fighting is carrying an assault rifle, but unless you're a soldier on active duty you won't be anywhere near the things.

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You said wrestling was just learning to "pick things up and putting them down again"; I gave an equally ridiculous analogy. Don't act the fool, fool.

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No, Wing Chun is still worthless. .

Pro-wrestling is to actual wrestling what the Die Hard movies are to pistol/rifle shooting; it's bull****. Josh Barnett is a Catch and Freestyle wrestler, and I doubt there is a TMA practitioner alive would be able to beat him and his "non-martial art" wrestling. .

And you've proven again that you're still a moron. I got bored of replying to your idiotic, circular arguments last time; no idea why I'm attempting it again.

Yes , ahem, Question- How to prove wrestling is a martial art?
Answer- Post a jpeg of two blokes in suits of armour lieing on top of each other.

I keep forgetting im conducting this discussion with a moron.

yes he sounds like he must be some unbeatable wrestling sweat machine- im assuming then he must the world and olympic wrestling champion 12 years in a row at least. Or maybe not. Does he wrestle in a suit of armour too? Is his wrestling more or less worthless than wingtsun? When is he going to beat me up again?

I thought it was becuase you didnt have any answer to the all those points raised before apart from 'duuuuuh in du wrestling we pick you up and put you down on du flooooor duuuuuh.'
All my earlier points still remain unanswered, but i guess now you were spending all this time looking for jpegs of knights lieing on one another. nice work hulk hogan. Do me a favour, dont bother talking about stuff like wingtsun till you can adequatley explain wrestling.

Anyone here who has done or currently does shotokan karate? If so what is it like as a martial art?

You said that wrestling leg takedowns were never useful when people fought with bladed weapons. Here is a leg takedown on an opponent with a bladed weapon from a time when people mainly fought with bladed weapons. Your argument is null. Wrestling most certainly is a martial art. .

The point is is that if a wrestler can beat (with wrestling) people from disciplines you recognise as being martial arts then wrestling is surely a martial art. .

No, I stopped replying because we had already answered every argument you raised several times and you were going through the cycle again. You were going in circles with the same refuted arguments and spouting ad hominem drivel about XBox and UFC over and over again (despite me saying several times that I neither play XBox or watch UFC); it was a waste of time.

I know, I know. I'll stop saying it when people stop saying "boxing/wrestling isn't a martial art". It's just . . . GRRRRR! A pet peeve of mine.



Hey, are there any MMA gyms in Sheffield? I know of The Forge but haven't been able to find its website so i'm not sure if it has closed down or not. I'm moving back to England (unfortunately) in May and am looking for somewhere to train for the next six months or so. I'd ideally go back to Gracie Barra Midlands in Mansfield, but it depends where I can find a job really. Any suggestions? Needs BJJ classes, preferably with wrestling and/or Judo classes too.

You really shouldnt be allowed to talk at all, till you actually get at least a few years of actual martial arts experience under your yellow belt. let alone give advice to others. Wrestlers talk too much. Stick to X-box.

Just out of interest what martial art experience do you have?

16 years, give or take

Yes but I wanted to know in which martial arts, also if you have been training for 16 years how old are you?