Cardiff University - Kitten Murders

What a ridiculous comment as someone above mentioned they use cats because they have forward pointing eyes like us and are born with poor vision and ‘learn’ to see as their brain cells develop connections with the eye.

and more importantly you are judging what animals right to live/not be tested on going by it's cuteness that is pathetic what makes it alright to test on rabbits and rats but not cats just because one looks cuter that is unbelievebly shallow, superficial and even barbaric.

imho a lot of animal testing shouldnt be done be it rats or cats, but the rats are bread for testing, and i agree it makes no logical sense, but its the way i feel - maybe its because i have a cat who is currently ill, but its the way i feel...

humans are too determined to play god, what happened to just dropping dead of a heart attack, rather than long stays in hospitals on horrible medicines, when the end result is death anyways? at least there is minimal suffering. why put animals through mutilations to test some medications, why not just use humans instead, after all we are essentially just another living species, and the medicine is ultimately for us in this instance. just because we have the power/ability to does not mean that we should.

Distasteful. Why don't I sew their babies eyes up and see how fun it all is? I don't see why, if we have to experiment, we don't do it on ourselves.

So your suggestion is that this would have been ethically more acceptable if they'd used babies? I see.


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As a species I'd rather we did it to ourselves than other ones.

I take it your refusal to take any drugs or medicine is working out for you, yeah?

Look through any medicine research, and one of the most pivotal stages is to test animals. It's not only for drug development - it's also to discover certain features about anatomy and physiology that we don't know about to lead to huge advances in medicine. And this isn't always exclusive to just humans, it also advances the vet med field.

Your class giggled at the idea of kittens having their eyes sewn shut? Oh how hilarious that is...

And are you saying that this research has already been done? Then it is not entirely necessary that it be repeated. Why is this piece of research so important? People keep saying that, can you tell me what benefit the study will bring?

I take it your refusal to take any drugs or medicine is working out for you, yeah?

Look through any medicine research, and one of the most pivotal stages is to test animals. It's not only for drug development - it's also to discover certain features about anatomy and physiology that we don't know about to lead to huge advances in medicine. And this isn't always exclusive to just humans, it also advances the vet med field.

But we aren't talking about drugs, we are discussing this particular research. Tell my why you think this particular investigation is worth it. Not sensory deprivation in general, this one.

the number of times ive had prescription medicine could be counted on one hand. other than that it was just injections which i needed to get since i went to kenya last summer

That's one hand too many given the arguments you've made. Also, I'm not sure if you know, but animal testing is also a requirement for developing vaccines (presumably the injections you took).

First, I never said that this particular investigation was worth it. I only commented because some people were in outrage over animal testing, and one poster even said it was akin to 'playing God', even though everyone has no doubt reaped the benefits of drugs at some point in their life.

Whether this was worth it, I don't know enough about the research to comment with a clear opinion. However, from what I've read about this, a lazy eye can lead to loss of vision and blindless, so research into this could potentially help with alleviating or even curing those conditions.



That's one hand too many given the arguments you've made. Also, I'm not sure if you know, but animal testing is also a requirement for developing vaccines (presumably the injections you took).

Yeah, but I would rather have animal testing, which I note will most likely not have been cats, than get hep b, or malaria, or yellow fever, or hpv for that matter - plus to travel to where i went to, it is virtually mandatory that you have a yellow fever jab.

There's already an established cure for lazy eye. I don't disagree with animal testing, but i believe that the use of animals to this degree should definitely be confined to the most productive research that will help lead to a great increase in people's well being and lives. I'm pretty sure that the aims and outcomes of this experiment has not done that. I'm so surprised that it had been given the go ahead.

I feel that sometimes universities are too concerned with maintaining their high research status...

So you're not really complaining about animal testing per say; you're complaining about the involvement of cats, which I assume is for personal emotional reasons?



I'm pretty sure I didn't say it's 'just' for lazy eye - it could potentially help in loss of vision which is a bit more serious. We barely know anything about the story given that the tabloids that have broken it have been extremely biased towards the animal cruelty side. Not saying that they're necessarily wrong, but there could easily be more reasons for this experiment taking place.

To everyone who is saying that the research on animals is necessary, please, actually do SOME research and you will find that actually, vivisection is completely useless and actually harmful to human health.

It doesn't help any kind of scientific or medical progress because animals have completely different reactions to humans. Just look at the 80 AIDS cures which worked on monkeys but were completely useless for humans.

Plus, I have to say that killing kittens for lazy eyes condition is not worth it AT ALL. Anybody can live with lazy eyes and not suffer physically at all when innocent animals, which actually trust humans to take care of them and love them, are tortured and killed. Not everything justifies means, and I am sorry to say that lazy eyes definitely DON'T justify this. Animals feel pain, are lonely and suffer. In my opinion, this is exactly the same as testing on new born humans, I just don't see the difference.
We are not almighty and surely we are not more important than animals. There are other methods to do biological research these days and innocent animals shouldn't have to take any part in this, they should be left alone and live the life NATURE intended they had.

We should all know that this is completely unethical and wrong and that something must be done. I do not understand how some people can be indifferent to this, but again, this is human nature to be cruel and I am sad to be part of this specie, which can inflict so much pain on other beings. I truly hope people who think that these poor animals NEED to be butchered for such small gain are going to die very slowly and in a lot of pain.

Would you agree with it if it were just for lazy eye?
The only condition we know that it treats- from a statement from cardiff university- is that it treats lazy eye.
We can't really assume that it helps with loss of vision, if it did, I'm sure Cardiff would mention that alongside lazy eye. And research is so specific and narrow and the eye is so complex that I doubt it anyway.