3 out of 4 'danger doctors' are immigrants.

meaning then if they didnt import dcotors the nhs would have to spend the extra billions (it doesnt have) and then operate with less doctors.

is this your solution then

the first solution is to stop the brain drain of NHS trained workers to overseas.

the other absurdity about all of this, is the fact that the NHS even has an oversupply of trained doctors.

if it has an oversupply, then why is it hiring abroad?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7aba53de-7a72-11e1-9c77-00144feab49a.html#axzz2GXBmSMNr

But surely the 'brain drain' is a good thing? If doctors move to other countries, then the supply of doctors in Britain is reduced, which is what you wanted in the first place.

the first solution is to stop the brain drain of NHS trained workers to overseas.

the other absurdity about all of this, is the fact that the NHS even has an oversupply of trained doctors.

if it has an oversupply, then why is it hiring abroad?

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7aba53de-7a72-11e1-9c77-00144feab49a.html#axzz2GXBmSMNr

well, yes i agree. so why the reliance of foreign doctors? i would have thought if an oversupply existed then there would be no need for foreign doctors? -- thats why i say its an absurd situation that the NHS has got itself into.

well, yes i agree. so why the reliance of foreign doctors? i would have thought if an oversupply existed then there would be no need for foreign doctors? -- thats why i say its an absurd situation that the NHS has got itself into.

Your anecdotal evidence is meaningless. The statistics speak for themselves. No one is suggesting all foreign doctors are hacks. Stop straw manning the argument.

Seriously, you lefties will do everything possible to protect your failed ideology.

then you are simply contradicting your earlier statement of "not enough domestic doctors being trained up" Anyone would tell you in the last 10 years there has been a massive uptake of med degrees in uk universties

according to the BMA-
"chair of the BMA’s consultant committee, told the newspaper that urgent action was needed to “stop the stupidity of people qualifying for jobs that aren’t going to exist.”



NHS are employing overseas consultants etc that have relavnt clinical or surgical experience to fill gaps in our current system - but thats not to say they have neglected training up new doctors- clearly according to your articale and the bma they have over trained

hmm...is the oversupply necessarily a bad thing when compared to undersupply? If there was an undersupply, then would it not drive up the cost of paying doctors, according to simple supply-demand laws? On the other hand, if the oversupply persists, surely the NHS can afford pay less in wages and still ensure every post is filled?

why are they needed when half of all british doctors cannot find work?

they cannot find work because the NHS is hiring cheap alternatives. it has nothing to do with qualifications. the NHS, because of its reliance on cheap labour, has driven down wages and is no longer an attractive option for the very best doctors and nurses who are going abroad for better pay and conditions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9573813/NHS-facing-massive-loss-of-doctors-overseas.html

but, it is much cheaper for the NHS to hire from overseas. for example, in 2011 there were just 9 training posts in paediatric surgery. so just 9 people were being trained up in britain for that opportunity. it is very expensive to train up a paediatric surgeon so it is much easier and cheaper for the NHS to go abroad.

again, foreign trained doctors are 5 times more likely to be struck off british trained. so to say they are better trained is just not true.

these countries do not have the same standards of training or experiences of running a national health service like britain. so it is no wonder their training is not as good.

They needed doctors for paediatric surgery, and needed them now? As I said other countries have just as high if not higher standards of medical training. Foreign GPs for example are used to dealing with (and dealing with effectively) much more than light colds and tummy aches (unlike here in Britain).

As another poster has already stated, patients are no more likely to report a foreign doctor than a 'native' one. However NHS supervisors, for whatever reason are more likely to do so.

This is most likely because 'native' doctors will be able to handle false cases better than foreign ones new to the system. The fact that a higher proportion of foreign doctors have been struck off does not mean their training was of a lower quality.

Would you like to provide the proof that they "do not have the same standards" other than your ignorant belief that everything British, everything western is heaven on earth? I at least have honest evidence that GPs in developing nations are better than many British trained GPs.

There was a girl who lived in my area who used to constantly feel ill and vomit uncontrollably. What did the amazing British doctors think? "She's homesick". Then, she goes with her family to Pakistan on holiday to relieve this "home sickness". The GP in Pakistan correctly diagnoses her with having a brain tumour.
If you go to my current GP with serious pain in part of your body, he will tell you to do no work and that you will have to live with this impediment (indefinitely). If you go to a doctor in Pakistan they will prescribe medication, and realistic forms of treatment (such as exercises) rather than living with the inability to do most things.

I don't want to offend you but this has to be said: You sound like a pseudo-educated British girl who thinks that she is enlightened with the 'education' the 'developed' country in which she resides has given her. The 'liberal' views in her mind are such that she cannot even spell British or Britain with a capital B. Further, she refuses to accept that foreign doctors are just as good as British ones. If they weren't, the NHS would not employ them.

Trust me, this country does have some better things going for it than other countries, for which I am grateful. An education in this country for most other professions is regarded exceptionally highly as opposed to many other nations. However, the medical profession is not one of them. If you train to be a doctor almost anywhere, you are fit to be a doctor here.

I do hate how people will always say there is institutional racism in every British institution and people just accept it.

I'd like to see Dr Umesh Prahbu's proof of this.