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Acceleration - slope

take a look at the result attached.
Surely mg/cos(90-x) = ma?

cos = adj/hyp
Reply 1
Is it mgsin(90x)=mamg sin (90-x) = ma ?

Doesn't cos act downward?
Reply 2
Original post by Diiiii
Is it mgsin(90x)=mamg sin (90-x) = ma ?

Doesn't cos act downward?


Cos(90-x) is mathematically the same as Sin
Reply 3
"mg" is the hypotenuse. You're trying to find the adjacent i.e. ma

cos(90°-θ) = ma / mg
ma = mg*cos(90°-θ)

Here's a picture to help:
explanation.png
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 4
Original post by raiden95
Cos(90-x) is mathematically the same as Sin


Thanks, I completely forgot that :smile:
Reply 5
Original post by raiden95
Cos(90-x) is mathematically the same as Sin


So even if I use cos(90x)cos(90-x), I'll still get the answer gsinx=ag sin x = a won't I, and will I still get the marks for using this instead?
Original post by crc290
"mg" is the hypotenuse. You're trying to find the adjacent i.e. ma

cos(90°-θ) = ma / mg
ma = mg*cos(90°-θ)


why is it the hyp?
Reply 7
Original post by jsmith6131
why is it the hyp?


See the picture I've just uploaded
Original post by crc290
See the picture I've just uploaded

how was I to know that?
Reply 9
Original post by jsmith6131
how was I to know that?


Well you had the right idea, you just got the adjacent and the hypotenuse mixed up

You said: "Surely mg/cos(90-x) = ma?"

That rearranges to cos(90°-θ) = mg/ma

mg/ma is hypotenuse/adjacent, not adjacent/hypotenuse
Reply 10
Original post by Diiiii
So even if I use cos(90x)cos(90-x), I'll still get the answer gsinx=ag sin x = a won't I, and will I still get the marks for using this instead?


Yes, but personally i like to have the equations in terms of sinx and cosx, I feel like I'm less likely to make a mistake
Reply 11
Original post by raiden95
Yes, but personally i like to have the equations in terms of sinx and cosx, I feel like I'm less likely to make a mistake


Thanks :smile: I find it easier the other way :smile:
Reply 12
Original post by jsmith6131
how was I to know that?


It's not a case of knowing that, it's a case of drawing that triangle. You're resolving the force (weight) into two perpendicular directions (parallel to slope, and normal to slope) and treating those directions as the axes of your problem.

Though, if you want to sanity check it - Cos is always less than 1, so mg/cos(...) would be larger than mg, while mgcos(...). Do balls roll down slopes faster or slower than they fall off cliffs?

The two resolved components of a force add vectorially to give the original force, so they must both be smaller in magnitude than the original force. The original force is always the hypotenuse, the components are the opposite and adjacent.

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