The Manchester United Thread X

I wouldn't sell him for anything less than £55 million, if Torres (in reasonable form) is £50mil and Carroll is £35mil then £40mil is laughable.

Randomly looking at that stuff, with Giggs and Zannetti being 2/3 of the oldest CL scorers ever. Noticed this gem of a stat.



He's better than Messi

Randomly looking at that stuff, with Giggs and Zannetti being 2/3 of the oldest CL scorers ever. Noticed this gem of a stat.



He's better than Messi

You can't really call someone who cheated on his wife by sleeping with his own brother's wife for 8 years "an exceptional human being".

We all make the mistakes. No one is perfect. We don't know the circumstances.

Ever since then I've never thought as highly about Giggs as I used to. My perception of him as a footballer is still the same - brilliant, but as a person, he sickens me.

Yes, you are right, we all make mistakes, but a mistake is usually when a person doesn't know what they're doing and it was unintentional.

I kind of agree, we all make mistakes but certain mistakes cannot be just brushed off, and something like that is pretty bad mistake to make. I certainly think something like that removes you from the exceptional human being club, arguably you would be lucky to remain in the decent person club.

No it's not. What is meant by mistake depends on context and has a variety of meanings or interpretations.

Here I mean an error. When translated from Latin this means "straying" or "wandering". In short I mean to use mistake as meaning an error based on a fault - that being misjudgement or behaviour that could be untypical or out of the ordinary. It is an act that is not necessarily typical of a person.



Undoubtedly he did know what he was doing. He did use free will. There are exceptions to this, such as people with bipolar disorder who are in a manic phase, but I have no reason to suspect these are applicable to Giggs.

However, do you know what his personal life was like? What his relationship with his brother was like? His feelings toward his sister-in-law?

These things happen far easier than you probably think.

I actually don't think the length of the affair, or the fact that it was with his brother's wife, is of any importance. An affair is an affair. But just because someone has had an affair, it does not make them a "bad" person.



Well, I don't know what he's like a person, so he doesn't sicken me. At the same time I'm not going to idolise him either. He could be one of the most awesome people around, or he could be an absolute ****. I don't care. He's been a great footballer. That's all I care about.

Perhaps there wasn't any need for SAF to bring his character into this. Perhaps he did it to defend/emphasise what his otherwise his good character, perhaps he didn't actually mean anything by it and was just referring to Giggs commitment (to the club and his career), how he has handled himself in his public and private life (affair being an exception), and how he behaves at the club. The inspiration and support he provides younger players.

Let's not forget that SAF knows Ryan Giggs, the footballer and the person, far better than any of us do.

But do you think it's right to judge someone when you do not know them, or have little knowledge of the situation?



Indeed, and although I don't know if you have any experience of extra-marital affairs (especially through members of your own family) but I most certainly have. Just because someone has had an affair doesn't mean that they aren't a loving, caring father, husband and person.



I'm certainly not saying it should be "brushed off". But nor should it really define a person. There are many other things that Giggs has done in his life.

I've done things I am not proud of during my life. I will continue to do things I am not proud of. I am not perfect.

Let he who is without sin....



Hmmm....I'd much rather assess a person's character over their lifetime, to be fair, and not over eight years.

No it's not. What is meant by mistake depends on context and has a variety of meanings or interpretations.

Here I mean an error. When translated from Latin this means "straying" or "wandering". In short I mean to use mistake as meaning an error based on a fault - that being misjudgement or behaviour that could be untypical or out of the ordinary. It is an act that is not necessarily typical of a person.



Undoubtedly he did know what he was doing. He did use free will. There are exceptions to this, such as people with bipolar disorder who are in a manic phase, but I have no reason to suspect these are applicable to Giggs.

However, do you know what his personal life was like? What his relationship with his brother was like? His feelings toward his sister-in-law?

These things happen far easier than you probably think.

I actually don't think the length of the affair, or the fact that it was with his brother's wife, is of any importance. An affair is an affair. But just because someone has had an affair, it does not make them a "bad" person.



Well, I don't know what he's like a person, so he doesn't sicken me. At the same time I'm not going to idolise him either. He could be one of the most awesome people around, or he could be an absolute ****. I don't care. He's been a great footballer. That's all I care about.

Perhaps there wasn't any need for SAF to bring his character into this. Perhaps he did it to defend/emphasise what his otherwise his good character, perhaps he didn't actually mean anything by it and was just referring to Giggs commitment (to the club and his career), how he has handled himself in his public and private life (affair being an exception), and how he behaves at the club. The inspiration and support he provides younger players.

Let's not forget that SAF knows Ryan Giggs, the footballer and the person, far better than any of us do.

But do you think it's right to judge someone when you do not know them, or have little knowledge of the situation?



Indeed, and although I don't know if you have any experience of extra-marital affairs (especially through members of your own family) but I most certainly have. Just because someone has had an affair doesn't mean that they aren't a loving, caring father, husband and person.



I'm certainly not saying it should be "brushed off". But nor should it really define a person. There are many other things that Giggs has done in his life.

I've done things I am not proud of during my life. I will continue to do things I am not proud of. I am not perfect.

Let he who is without sin....



Hmmm....I'd much rather assess a person's character over their lifetime, to be fair, and not over eight years.

Can't believe you guys are even contemplating that United would sell Rooney. Baffling.

There is no way on earth he would be sold, unless we were in financial difficulty or he wanted to leave.

Come on dude, we may be United fans, and Ryan Giggs is one of the best players to grace the game, but as a person he is clearly a *****.

I'm sorry but he cheated on his brother's wife for 8 years. Thats all there is to say.