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Why are Muslim's portrayed as terrorist's in today's society?

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Original post by Elsagatehouse
if you want to do some "destroying" why don't you join
the "jihad "

What does "Jihad" mean?

What is "Jihad" applicable to?

What types of "Jihad" are there?

When is a physical (war) "Jihad" acceptable/permissible?

EDIT: Not defending Atemukay's comments in anyway whatsoever.

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Although I disagree with his view on Islam being a violent religion you do validate his point by threatening to "destroy" him


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Original post by TheFrozenLake.
Where is suicide bombing condoned in Islam?

Where is execution condoned for rape victims in Islam?





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http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/video-rape-victim-executed-under-the-sharia-in-afghanistan.html

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/3287-somalia-rape-victim-executed


But let's add: your definition prohibits it. Others it doesn't. Whether you claim bombers are muslim or not, they perceive themselves as such. Imams in this country preach violence against the UK.

Other religions don't do this. I have no respect for the 'philosophy' of a religion like Islam - the Qu'ran reads like the ramblings of a madman, which is exactly what Mohammad (who had sex with a 9 year old remember) was.
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Original post by Azarimanka
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/video-rape-victim-executed-under-the-sharia-in-afghanistan.html

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/3287-somalia-rape-victim-executed


But let's add: your definition prohibits it. Others it doesn't. Whether you claim bombers are muslim or not, they perceive themselves as such. Imams in this country preach violence against the UK.


He meant from the Islamic scriptures.

Other religions don't do this. I have no respect for the 'philosophy' of a religion like Islam - the Qu'ran reads like the ramblings of a madman, which is exactly what Mohammad (who had sex with a 9 year old remember) was.


That is contested.
Original post by Azarimanka
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/07/video-rape-victim-executed-under-the-sharia-in-afghanistan.html

http://old.richarddawkins.net/articles/3287-somalia-rape-victim-executed


But let's add: your definition prohibits it. Others it doesn't. Whether you claim bombers are muslim or not, they perceive themselves as such. Imams in this country preach violence against the UK.

Other religions don't do this. I have no respect for the 'philosophy' of a religion like Islam - the Qu'ran reads like the ramblings of a madman, which is exactly what Mohammad (who had sex with a 9 year old remember) was.


I don't care what people do, I specifically asked you where in Islam is suicide bombing and executing rape victims condoned, Not where it has been done or who has done it.

You seem to be a fan of Pamela.. surprise surprise.

So let's try again;

Where in Islam is suicide bombing condoned?

Where in Islam is executing rape victims condoned?

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Original post by TheFrozenLake.
I don't care what people do, I specifically asked you where in Islam is suicide bombing and executing rape victims condoned, Not where it has been done.

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So your defense is that every where it has not been done is not a muslim country. There can't be that many muslims in the world then.
Original post by Azarimanka
So your defense is that every where it has not been done is not a muslim country. There can't be that many muslims in the world then.


How do you come to that conclusion?

Are you incapable of answering two simple questions?

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Original post by Mazy95
I agree with you. 9/11 started it all mainly.
Let me give you an example: 'American terrorists hijack planes and crash them into the twin towers in Dubai, the United Arab Emirates is invading Canada to capture the terrorists'.
Does this make sense? No. It was said that the so called 'terrorists' were identified as Saudi Arabian yet Afghanistan and Iraq were invaded.
Around 3000 people died, right? Everyone is saddened by that but no one looks at the millions of Muslims innocent who have died and are still drying to this 'war on terror' which is not what it is being portrayed to be. Read this: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/06/15/osama-bin-laden-the-innocent-man-closing-the-case/

An no, I already knew about 9/11 being an inside job before reading that.

To people with an open mind (mainly), I know that the media is our main source of news but at least try looking into it from a different perspective. For example, Try RussiaToday instead of CNN or Presstv.ir instead BBC. Keep a balanced outlook, although I mainly go on CNN, Fox News etc for a good laugh.

The other thing is that the Middle East and Africa are very resourceful. Gold, diamonds, oil, heroine, you name it.
Remember how Col Gaddafi was killed? He was trying to unite all African/Muslim countries and asking them to trade in Gold instead of US petro dollars and the countries seemed keen on it. Next thing you know, there are rebels trying to take him down. Really, if you actually look into what this man has done for his people and what he was planning to do, you will see the injustice and cruelty. Now Libya is a real dump!
Same goes for Assad, US funded rebels are trying to take him down when the Syrian people support him! The Western media only shows you the rebels (portrayed as citizens fighting against Assad, I believe).
Likewise, Iran is being constantly pestered with sanctions which is harming their trading and causing adverse effect on the people! A lack of medicine for patients is one thing these sanctions have caused. All due to false allegations against their peaceful nuclear energy program.
The Taliban in Afghanistan are fighting against the invading soldiers to protect their people and land. Wouldn't you do the same?
BUT it's not just Western countries either. Countries like Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Bahrain are also evil for siding with the US. Have you ever noticed how there is hardly anything bad about these countries in the news? Or hardly anything 'war' type going on?

Who's the real terrorist?


Here's a list of the hijackers and their origins:
1) Satam al-suqami,
- Saudi origins,
- travelled to Afghanistan where he was recruited into al-qaeda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami
2) Waleed al-Shehri
- Saudi origins
- went to afghanistan through the army
- was recruited to alqaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
3) Wail al-Shehri
- Waleed's brother (2nd terrorist on the list)
- Saudi origins
- Travelled to Afghanistan
- was recruited to al-qaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wail_al-Shehri
4) Al-Omari
- Saudi origins
- not everything is known about his identity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulaziz_al-Omari
5) Mohammad Atta
- Egyptian origins
- spent some time in afghanistan where he met Osama bin laden and other members of al-qaeda
- hijacked a plane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
6) Majed Moqed
- saudi origins
- joined al-qaeda in afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majed_Moqed
7) Khalid al-Mihdhar
- Saudi origins
- travelled to afghanistan and was recruited by osama bin laden to hijack one of the planes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_al-Mihdhar


Eh I'm too tired to write the rest of them off but you get the point. Although most of the terrorists were saudi in origin, they were all recruited to alqaeda in afghanistan. So America didn't REALLY invade the wrong country... unless you suggest that people should always be judged based on ethnicity, in which case the only countries to ever be invaded should be in Africa.
Original post by Dragonfly07
Here's a list of the hijackers and their origins:
1) Satam al-suqami,
- Saudi origins,
- travelled to Afghanistan where he was recruited into al-qaeda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami
2) Waleed al-Shehri
- Saudi origins
- went to afghanistan through the army
- was recruited to alqaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
3) Wail al-Shehri
- Waleed's brother (2nd terrorist on the list)
- Saudi origins
- Travelled to Afghanistan
- was recruited to al-qaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wail_al-Shehri
4) Al-Omari
- Saudi origins
- not everything is known about his identity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulaziz_al-Omari
5) Mohammad Atta
- Egyptian origins
- spent some time in afghanistan where he met Osama bin laden and other members of al-qaeda
- hijacked a plane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
6) Majed Moqed
- saudi origins
- joined al-qaeda in afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majed_Moqed
7) Khalid al-Mihdhar
- Saudi origins
- travelled to afghanistan and was recruited by osama bin laden to hijack one of the planes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_al-Mihdhar


Eh I'm too tired to write the rest of them off but you get the point. Although most of the terrorists were saudi in origin, they were all recruited to alqaeda in afghanistan. So America didn't REALLY invade the wrong country... unless you suggest that people should always be judged based on ethnicity, in which case the only countries to ever be invaded should be in Africa.


Would any of them have committed those acts if the west hadn't sponsored their ideology?

There wasn't a "Islamic terrorism" phenomenon before the Soviets left Afghanistan..





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Original post by TheFrozenLake.
How do you come to that conclusion?

Are you incapable of answering two simple questions?

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I'm not prepared to play games with you in face of that fact that people calling themselves muslim are waging war across africa, asia. Importing their tribal mentalities into the West.

If you want to play a game via sola scriptura that is your problem. Like all those who operate sola scriptura, however you rapidly find that reality is different.
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Original post by Dragonfly07
Here's a list of the hijackers and their origins:
1) Satam al-suqami,
- Saudi origins,
- travelled to Afghanistan where he was recruited into al-qaeda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satam_al-Suqami
2) Waleed al-Shehri
- Saudi origins
- went to afghanistan through the army
- was recruited to alqaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waleed_al-Shehri
3) Wail al-Shehri
- Waleed's brother (2nd terrorist on the list)
- Saudi origins
- Travelled to Afghanistan
- was recruited to al-qaeda in Afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wail_al-Shehri
4) Al-Omari
- Saudi origins
- not everything is known about his identity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdulaziz_al-Omari
5) Mohammad Atta
- Egyptian origins
- spent some time in afghanistan where he met Osama bin laden and other members of al-qaeda
- hijacked a plane
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Atta
6) Majed Moqed
- saudi origins
- joined al-qaeda in afghanistan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majed_Moqed
7) Khalid al-Mihdhar
- Saudi origins
- travelled to afghanistan and was recruited by osama bin laden to hijack one of the planes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_al-Mihdhar


Eh I'm too tired to write the rest of them off but you get the point. Although most of the terrorists were saudi in origin, they were all recruited to alqaeda in afghanistan. So America didn't REALLY invade the wrong country... unless you suggest that people should always be judged based on ethnicity, in which case the only countries to ever be invaded should be in Africa.


The question is not "IF", but WHY they traveled to Afghanistan in the first place?
Answer to OP:

Only certain bigoted factions choose that viewpoint. It si absolutely not the majority view.

Because Bush Jnr. needed to justify waltzing in to Iraq to secure serious military bases in the middle east because the US is vulnerable to energy insecurity.

In doing so he strengthened the ties to Saudi Arabia securing lucrative arms exports in exchange for oil and t give the US strategic diplomacy.

Without it the US would be exposed to the OPEC cartels that govern global oil supply and prices.

To do that he also had to provide a good excuse to get the backing of the world which came from WMD and the 9/11 attacks fell into the US laps to their military advantage.

I don't think 9/11 was fabricated in any way, but the fact it happened gave him a good excuse to start a war so he would be 'invited' into the middle east and backed up with military support by the UN under the guise of the 'war against terror'.

The U.S. policy is to secure U.S. financial interests. Afghanistan was an opportunity for the U.S. to extend their military projection into the far east getting nice and close the Chinese, Russian and Indian borders - potential emerging economic threats.

The media did the rest.
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Original post by Azarimanka
I'm not prepared to play games with you in face of that fact that people calling themselves muslim are waging war across africa, asia. Importing their tribal mentalities into the West.

If you want to play a game via sola scriptura that is your problem. Like all those who operate sola scriptura, however you rapidly find that reality is different.


I'll try once more.

Where in Islam is executing rape victims condoned?

Where in Islam is suicide bombing condoned?


Two very simple questions, Needing two very simple answers.

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Original post by TheFrozenLake.
I'll try once more.

Where in Islam is executing rape victims condoned?

Where in Islam is suicide bombing condoned?


Two very simple questions, Needing two very simple answers.

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The quran sanctions the death penalty for adulterers. Some countries kill rape victims as such.

Suicide bombing obviously did not exist when your madman was raving in the 6th century. Still - Martyrdom 4.74 9.111 etc. Mohammad himself was violent - fighting a war.
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Original post by joja
If man was required to wear exactly the same clothes then it would be less offensive-it seems woman have to pay for the weakness of man-god created us and there is no shame in his creation-if man cannot control his lust at a glimpse of a knee or an elbow that that is his problem not womans-women have died over the centuries to try and create the equal society that they deserve and yes it offends me when I see this backward step


I think it is a backward step to take clothes off rather than put them on.
Also men also have certain requirements of the clothes that they wear and also have the requirement to control their gaze. Not everything should be on the shoulders of a women, men have to do their part as well.
To put things simply, men and women are both to be modest in the way they dress. Women don't wear tight revealing clothes. Men don't wear tight revealing clothes.
I love how people actually think America isn't a country based on bull****.

Americas against Radical Islam... best friends with Saudi Arabia, the most radical of them all.

Americas against Communism... stays on best possible terms with China..
Original post by Azarimanka
The quran sanctions the death penalty for adulterers. Some countries kill rape victims as such.


Again, we are not discussing the penalties upon adulterers or where rape victims are killed.


Original post by Azarimanka

Suicide bombing obviously did not exist when your madman was raving in the 6th century. Still -Martyrdom 4.74 9.111 etc.

So now you wish to debate martyrdom?

Who is a martyr in Islam and what are the ways in which you can become one?


I'll try yet again;

Where is suicide or suicide bombing sanctioned/condoned in the Quran or sunnah?


Where is execution for rape victims sanctioned/condoned in the Quran or sunnah?



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Original post by Azarimanka
The quran sanctions the death penalty for adulterers. Some countries kill rape victims as such.


Chapter and verse please?

Suicide bombing obviously did not exist when your madman was raving in the 6th century. Still - Martyrdom 4.74


You need to equip yourself with a dictionary in the future.

Martyr: a person who suffers greatly or dies for a cause, belief, etc.

How is that similar to Suicide Bombing where the objective is to kill as many non-combatants as possible. Furthermore, the verse you quoted, you should search up and read it in the context of when it was revealed.

9.111 etc. Mohammad himself was violent - fighting a war.


How is that even linked to suicide bombing? Clutching at straws.
Original post by Error4001
Chapter and verse please?



You need to equip yourself with a dictionary in the future.

Martyr: a person who suffers greatly or dies for a cause, belief, etc.

How is that similar to Suicide Bombing where the objective is to kill as many non-combatants as possible. Furthermore, the verse you quoted, you should search up and read it in the context of when it was revealed.



How is that even linked to suicide bombing? Clutching at straws.


Because the suicide bomber interprets what they do as martyrdom. You don't. That's fair enough. But you can't say there isn't a problem when people who are following their interpretation of Islam do that.

The lack of a central figure in islam is very dangerous.
Original post by Error4001
The question is not "IF", but WHY they traveled to Afghanistan in the first place?


It doesn't matter. My point was that America hasn't invaded the wrong country (like the other poster was suggesting). The fact that they had to travel to Afghanistan in order to commit acts of terrorism means that Saudi Arabia didn't harbour much opportunity fr terrorism for them.

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