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Intergration of Trig

Can someone please show how to do these type of questions?:mad:

Intergrate cos^4(x)sin^3(x) dx

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Reply 1
Original post by Dopey'
Can someone please show how to do these type of questions?:mad:

Intergrate cos^4(x)sin^3(x) dx


Well with that one you use sin^2x = 1 - cos^2x

Then you have 2 parts that look like cos^nxsinx so you use inverse chain rule
Reply 2
Original post by TenOfThem
Well with that one you use sin^2x = 1 - cos^2x

Then you have 2 parts that look like cos^nxsinx so you use inverse chain rule


cos^4(x)sinx(sin^2(x))
cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos(x))]

By the way its not cos to the power of 4x its cos to the power of 4
Reply 3
Original post by Dopey'
cos^4(x)sinx(sin^2(x))
cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos(x))]

By the way its not cos to the power of 4x its cos to the power of 4


Yeah I know

Your working above is incorrect sin^2x=1-cos^x

Then multiply the bracket
Reply 4
Original post by TenOfThem
Yeah I know

Your working above is incorrect sin^2x=1-cos^x

Then multiply the bracket


cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos^2x)
cos^4(x)sinx -cos^6(x)sinx

Its this ok so far, what the next step?

think ive got it

i did

cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos^2(x)) then u = cos x u' = -sinx dx/du = -cosec x

put u in

- u^4 + u^6 then it grate and substitute cos x back in after :smile:
(edited 11 years ago)
Reply 5
Original post by Dopey'
cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos^2x)
cos^4(x)sinx -cos^6(x)sinx

Its this ok so far, what the next step?

think ive got it

i did

cos^4(x)sinx(1-cos^2(x)) then u = cos x u' = -sinx dx/du = -cosec x

put u in

- u^4 + u^6 then it grate and substitute cos x back in after :smile:


Will the same technique apply to intergrating sin^3x dx ?

my steps so far

Sinx(sin^2x)
Sinx(1-cos^2x) Now I cant see what to do?
Original post by Dopey'
Will the same technique apply to intergrating sin^3x dx ?

my steps so far

Sinx(sin^2x)
Sinx(1-cos^2x) Now I cant see what to do?


Expand the bracket. Now integrate term by term (you can use a substitution for the second term).
Reply 7
Original post by Mr M
Expand the bracket. Now integrate term by term (you can use a substitution for the second term).


I think im getting the hang of it, but it always seems to get harder could you show how you would solve this please

Intergrate in(rt(x-1))dx
Original post by Dopey'
I think im getting the hang of it, but it always seems to get harder could you show how you would solve this please

Intergrate in(rt(x-1))dx


Why does everyone think the natural logarithm is written as "in"?

Make a substitution u=x1u=x-1

Remember than ln(xn)=nlnx\ln(x^n)=n \ln x

Integrate by parts.
Reply 9
Original post by Mr M
Why does everyone think the natural logarithm is written as "in"?

Make a substitution u=x1u=x-1

Remember than ln(xn)=nlnx\ln(x^n)=n \ln x

Integrate by parts.


Haha I dunno why everyone does, It just one of those things i guess

One more question I'm attempting to intergrate x^5e^(x^3)

I intergrate by parts but it just goes round in circle (x keeps coming back) is there a special technique for these type of questions?
Original post by Dopey'
Haha I dunno why everyone does, It just one of those things i guess

One more question I'm attempting to intergrate x^5e^(x^3)

I intergrate by parts but it just goes round in circle (x keeps coming back) is there a special technique for these type of questions?


You just need lots of experience.

Write x5x^5 as x3x2x^3 x^2 and make a substitution u=x3u=x^3.
Reply 11
Original post by Mr M
You just need lots of experience.

Write x5x^5 as x3x2x^3 x^2 and make a substitution u=x3u=x^3.


so is dv/dx = x^2e^(x^3)?

v = 1/3e^(x^3)?

I think Ive done it the answers right but the workings looks horrible, maybe theres a quicker method?

u = x^3

u' = 3x^2

v = 1/3u v' = 1/3
dz/dx = e^u z= e^u

= 1/3ue^u - (intergrate) 1/3e^u
= 1/3ue^u - 1/3e^u
= 1/3x^3e(x^3) - 1/3e^(x^3) = 1/3e^(x^3)(x^3-1) + c

Is this ok?
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Original post by Dopey'
so is dv/dx = x^2e^(x^3)?

v = 1/3e^(x^3)?


You seem to have failed to make the substitution I suggested?
Reply 13
Original post by Dopey'
so is dv/dx = x^2e^(x^3)?

v = 1/3e^(x^3)?

That'll work.
Reply 14
Original post by Mr M
You seem to have failed to make the substitution I suggested?


Ive a adjusted my workings above ^ (how you suggested)
Original post by Dopey'
the workings looks horrible, maybe theres a quicker method?


Maybe MAKING A SUBSTITUTION would help?

:angry:

x5ex3dx=13tetdt\displaystyle \int x^5 e^{x^3} \, dx = \frac{1}{3} \int t e^t \, dt
Reply 16
Original post by Mr M
Maybe MAKING A SUBSTITUTION would help?

:angry:

x5ex3dx=13tetdt\displaystyle \int x^5 e^{x^3} \, dx = \frac{1}{3} \int t e^t \, dt


I did substitute u = x^3 in, If you didnt mean it like this i dont understand im a novice
Original post by Dopey'
I did substitute u = x^3 in, If you didnt mean it like this i dont understand im a novice


My fault I think. The choice of u was confusing for you as you muddled it with u from integration by parts. This is why I changed it to t above.
Reply 18
Original post by Mr M
Maybe MAKING A SUBSTITUTION would help?

:angry:

x5ex3dx=13tetdt\displaystyle \int x^5 e^{x^3} \, dx = \frac{1}{3} \int t e^t \, dt

To be fair to Dopey, he saw your breakdown of x^5 with u=x^3 and thought you were doing IBP with dv/dx equal the rest.
Original post by notnek
To be fair to Dopey, he saw your breakdown of x^5 with u=x^3 and thought you were doing IBP with dv/dx equal the rest.


Yes I realise that. I failed to communicate properly.

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