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We need to get rid of the "chav" culture

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Why it has been caused shouldn't need to be a question in the first place.

There is no excuse for bad behaviour, simply due to poor economic conditions, that isn't an excuse. Oh damn, I can't find a job, better smash **** up, that'll help...

This country, through easy hand outs of benefits and bad social reform has created a whole society of diminished responsibility where no one has any respect for anyone else.

Of course it shouldn't need to be questioned. We don't need to be having this discussion in the first place. However we are, and so understanding the causes for the problems you've outlined will lead to more effective measures in preventing them. Not understanding why something happens will clearly make it more difficult to solve.

How many people do that? What a bizarre comment. I fail to see people 'smashing **** up' because they can't find a job. Quite odd (Unless this is a petty reference to the riots which is another issue).

Now you're just confusing anti-social behaviour with benefit reliance. These are two seperate issues. You've just looked at a minority of society who are involved in both and blended them together.

It is not beneficial to throw about terms such as 'chav culture'. It's stinks of immaturity and ignorance. It needs to be understood that the benefit system is one issue, with it's own problems, and anti-social behaviour is another. Both require different solutions.

In essence, instead of this bland high-horse rhetoric about 'respect' and 'chavs' it would be far better to focus on the problems you've outlined as distinct issues. Ridiculing a section of society is unhelpful and immature.

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Reply 141

pandabird

Original post by sevchenko

There are way more apprenticeships on offer to people who don't go to uni under the conservative government.

So lots of apprenticeships but no more jobs? Sounds like a good idea.
And do you know the minimum paying wage for an apprentice?

Reply 142

sevchenko

Original post by pandabird

So lots of apprenticeships but no more jobs? Sounds like a good idea.
And do you know the minimum paying wage for an apprentice?

Mininmun wage, apprenticeships are here so young people can learn proper skills that are valued by employers. They have to learn their trade and work their way up the ladder like everybody else

Reply 143

Livingstone

Original post by EleanorKeats

I really hope you're just a troll . The word "chav" is really offensive, it's a derogatory term.
I live in upper-middle class Surrey and everyone uses the term "chav" to describe people who live in council houses and engage in the behaviours you described. However nobody would reject these behaviours if the people in question were wealthy/
Being tough does not work and will not work. The US has some of the toughest prisons in the world and has one of the highest re-offence rates.
Most "chavs" come from rough areas, have difficult home lives and little future prospects. By labelling and insulting them you are excluding them from a society which they already feel alienated from. What they really need is good education, youth projects and financial/social support.
There is a culture in this country of using 'chavs' as a scapegoat. They were not born that way, society made them that way.
They don't stand for the working class but a majority of them come from poor working class backgrounds.
It is high time our society took a more progressive and tolerant attitude.

I'm not entirely sure why I bothered writing this as no doubt you'll disagree with me and continue to preach ignorance.

Being a chav has nothing to do with how much money you've got. It's a subculture, its the way they act and speak and dress that defines them as chavs.

Reply 144

Barksy

Original post by Captain Haddock

lol you don't know what that word means, do you?

Adj. 1. pedantic - marked by a narrow focus on or display of learning especially its trivial aspects

Reply 145

Barksy

Original post by pandabird

Get them employed! Where to?? Maybe the Tories shouldn't have made so many cuts resulting in even more lose of jobs?

Get them employed, funniest thing I've heard in a while.

Government jobs aren't real jobs.

Reply 146

ArtGoblin

Original post by Livingstone

Being a chav has nothing to do with how much money you've got. It's a subculture, its the way they act and speak and dress that defines them as chavs.

It clearly does. It is a way of demeaning a particular section of society because of their culture - a section of society that is financially and socially excluded. One of the problems with the label 'chav' is that it aligns anti-social and illegal behaviour with certain types of clothing, media, activities, dialect and even where they live. They are assumed to have negative character traits because of they way they talk, how they dress and other aspects of their lifestyle. Another issue is that it assumes that that particular way of dress, speech and culture is inferior to other classes' cultures. Every class dresses and speaks like other people in their class, but it is only working class people who are judged for it so harshly. Of course not everyone in a particular class follows this code - there is always people who aspire to move socially upwards and those who actively rebel against their current class by intimidating 'lower' classes. But to deny that the label 'chav' is related to class and money is wilfully ignorant.

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Reply 147

Kibalchich

Original post by hothedgehog

Rinehart worked for her father's business before inheriting it on his death. She would not be able to run the very technical business without knowledge of how it works properly. Branson set up the Virgin brand from the base with some friends and grew it into what it became.

Public school education doesn't mean anything, lots of people go to public schools including "poor" (in comparison to the rest of the UK) people who go on full scholarships.

Anyway, this is wildly off topic. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't call Branson a chav!

I suggest you go read up about Rhinehart and Branson.

Reply 148

Kibalchich

Original post by Redolent

Behaviour as well as a certain image, yes. Google image search "douchebag" and you'll see people with a similarly distinguishable "style" about them, but that doesn't mean "douchebag" is something other than a word to describe an annoying person.

So people who dress in a certain way, act in a certain way?

Reply 149

Kibalchich

Original post by midnightice

It's the same with Mods & Rockers back in the '50s. The media have created this chav image. Fashion affiliation reinforces the general image of the individual and makes it easier to create a collective image of 'chavs'.

You been reading Stanley Cohen?

Reply 150

Kibalchich

Original post by Barksy

Given that chavs actually dress like that and behave in similar ways I don't see what point you're trying to achieve other than being the usual anal leftist.

Flying defines birds. That doesn't mean you should overlook the fact they all have feathers, too.

The point I'm making is that the term "chav" has come to mean a particular way of dressing. To then say that people who dress like this are anti-social merely betrays your ignorance. Some people on my estate dress like that, they're actually very nice people.

Reply 151

Redolent

Original post by Kibalchich

So people who dress in a certain way, act in a certain way?

Mostly act. You've already made it perfectly clear what you're getting at. I know plenty of people who dress in a chavvy way that are actually lovely people, yes.

Reply 152

Redolent

Original post by Barksy

Government jobs aren't real jobs.

Does that apply to soldiers too?

Reply 153

Kibalchich

Original post by Redolent

Mostly act. You've already made it perfectly clear what you're getting at. I know plenty of people who dress in a chavvy way that are actually lovely people, yes.

So that would seem to suggest that the term "chav" is not a useful one.

Reply 154

Redolent

Original post by Kibalchich

So that would seem to suggest that the term "chav" is not a useful one.

As I said earlier, there don't seem to many better words for the kind of people who wait around street corners and get their kicks out of harassing people and causing a nuisance, other than something like "thug" which is too vague.

Reply 155

Kibalchich

Original post by Redolent

Thug will do me. To use the word "chav" then suggests that everyone who dresses in this fashion is anti-social. Which just isn't true.

Reply 156

darryshan

Original post by EleanorKeats

The US has some of the toughest prisons in the world

North Korea?

Reply 157

Redolent

Original post by Kibalchich

Thug will do me. To use the word "chav" then suggests that everyone who dresses in this fashion is anti-social. Which just isn't true.

I'm not sure it does suggest that, just that there is often crossover. But that interpretation is quite common.

Reply 158

Kibalchich

Original post by Redolent

I'm not sure it does suggest that, just that there is often crossover. But that interpretation is quite common.

Well, the fact that the term "chav" is taken to mean a particular way of dressing, I'm not sure how you can argue that it doesn't!

Reply 159

Redolent

Original post by Kibalchich

Well, the fact that the term "chav" is taken to mean a particular way of dressing, I'm not sure how you can argue that it doesn't!

In my experience simply dressing in a "chavvy" way is neither a necessary or sufficient condition to be outright called a "chav" by the majority of people who use the word. Maybe it is just where I live.