Christian B&B owners sued over refusing gay guests can now turn away gay couples

If that were the case, the other option of changing the law wouldn't be there either.

Hmm. I believe these people should have rights for the issue and be able to chose who enters their house (regardless of whether it's a business but understand it isn't plausible because it would lead to more and more segregation, taking a step backwards.?

I still don't understand. Essentially, do you believe the couple should be able to ban black people from the hotel?

It's my opinion, and in terms of differing opinions it's pretty cutdown the middle. You won't change my views so don't bother.

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So ultimately, I now agree with the consensus because of the greater good only. But do not believe the couple should be sued.

How's that?

If it was based on a religion recognised by the state. I do not believe in it, but do not believe the individuals should face a back-lash from said state.

Not really. You said it infringing on their right to practice their religion. They should not have those rights at all if they let them be discriminatory.

Sorry, that is just outrageous.

Bigotry and prejudice do not deserve 'freedom' to exist, regardless of whether they are in the form of a religion recognised by the state.

I sided with the gay couple when this came up initially, but only on the grounds that they had paid and travelled to get there only to be refused. Had the owners refused service prior to all that, then it should be up to them. If I want to do business with someone, the government can't then force me to do the same business with everyone who offers the same amount of money. Well, apparently it can, but it shouldn't be able to.

Employment law makes sense to ensure minorities don't get marginalised, but here you have one party providing a luxury to another where there is no such problem. I think it's sad that the owners have felt forced to change their business model

I lol'd.

Sorry, that is just outrageous.

Bigotry and prejudice do not deserve 'freedom' to exist, regardless of whether they are in the form of a religion recognised by the state.

But the point is people do have right to practice their religion, and they do have the right to hold those views. I never said it was fine. I just said they do, and they aren't the views of some abstract religion, they are the views of the state religion. It's not about right or wrong, it's simply a statement the law says they have the right to practise their religion enshrined in law.


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It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.

I agree 100% with this, If they don't want gay people to come in it's fine as long as they're not like that in public. I kinda think the people that sued overreacted a bit tbh, I would not sue, if I was refused entry into their B&B for being gay I'd be fine with it

But the point is people do have right to practice their religion, and they do have the right to hold those views. I never said it was fine. I just said they do, and they aren't the views of some abstract religion, they are the views of the state religion. It's not about right or wrong, it's simply a statement the law says they have the right to practise their religion enshrined in law.

Actually in law you can, as a business, refuse service to anyone you like provided that you do not do so on the grounds of particular characteristics covered by equality law, ie: gender, age, race, disability, sexuality. You are perfectly entitled to refuse to deal with someone you simply don't like, for example (assuming the reason for that dislike isn't as a result of any of the aforementioned characteristics).

They should have the right to hold those views but not to enforce them.

-.- Shocking




Hyppocritical, isn't it?

Then that's clearly not being able to refuse anyone service. If I as a business owner don't want to do business with someone for any reason, why should I be forced to? From something reasonable like them smelling of illegal drugs to something silly like them wearing a certain colour hat, it should be up to me.

You are free to hold despicable views and think to yourself (and say out loud probably) that blacks are scum and that gays shouldn't be allowed rent a room in your hotel. I'm not taking away that freedom.
Enforcing those views in your business which is available to the public is wrong and should not be allowed.

If a religion allows killing certain kinds of people, that should not be allowed on the grounds of 'religious freedom'. Religious freedom only extends (or should only extend) to yourself. The moment it infringes on other people's rights is when it no longer has power.